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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
I agree with Lord and Dr.
BUT, if your not comfortable with that....just come out and tell them to think of someone living. What's wrong with that!?
"it's better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb."
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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
BTW...I performed this for a woman and I told her to think of someone living. After I revealed the name, she started crying. You just never know where people are at in their lives.
It's the nature of the buisness.
"it's better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb."
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2010-04-04 15:43, KBLV wrote: Well... that's your modality on it. But that's all it is. You frame it that way but it's only 'your' framing. To me that's a highly negative approach to mentalism. Your glass is half empty. Your assumption is one of sadness whilst you totally dismiss the idea that there's at least a 50/50 chance of pure joy. And that's assuming you have no skills whatsoever to turn around a negative, which with respect, I find quite amateurish. Why not be a little 'bi'. As Woody Allen suggests: "It doubles your chances of getting laid on a Saturday night". I tell you that in a third of a century I've NEVER had a situation I haven't had the skills to adapt to in such a situation of a deceased name being revealed. So, my recommendation is: stop trying to be safe. That's the one way you'll get your arse felt (British working-class saying). Rather become highly skilled. BE the mentalist.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
Preparedness and artistic goals... these are the issues that will answer this question for each. There is nothing right/wrong with either approach. If you are going focus a presentation on a dead person, then what you do with that becomes the artisitic issue.
For me, I wanted the presentation to focus around the physical impact of a positive memory. Thus my goal is an edificial presentation that leaves me as "a paired associate" of that happy feeling/memory. I am "stealing goodwill". I hope that makes sense. Everyone will have their own goals and pursuits, those are mine. Sean |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
If you create the illusion that you are able to make a connection with someone's deceased loved one, but present it as a "real" event, how would your audience feel if they knew the truth about what you were doing? Would they see that as entertainment? Do you care how they would feel?
- entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
...hence the direction I have taken. I certainly agree. I did not mean to imply that I condone "speaking to the dead".
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Sean:
I wasn't targeting you specifically, but was throwing the questions out there as food for thought for everyone. I have complete respect for your approach to mentalism, Sean. - entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
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On 2010-04-04 20:06, entity wrote: would you ?? |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Yes.
- entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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David Numen Inner circle 2072 Posts |
Quite simply if you are uncomfortable with having a dead person's name (some are, some aren't - neither is wrong but living and dead tests ARE a staple of mentalism for example) then ask them to write down the name of someone close who would like to see what you are doing.
If I want a dead person's name written down I generally ask for someone who died a while ago as I don't want to upset them. |
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JohnWells Inner circle The Southern Wild 1791 Posts |
My favorite piece of mentalism is a living and dead test, and I emphasize that they are to choose someone they loved, but not someone who is going to cause them emotional distress. I've never had a problem with bad tears. There are good tears, and I love them.
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KBLV Regular user Las Vegas 188 Posts |
Pretending to talk to people's dead loved ones is unconscionable. Overlaying their real memories with false memories of your creation is the absolute worst kind of disrespect for the dead.
It's also an extremely cheap and easy way to elicit an emotional response. It's the mentalism equivalent of closing with a gospel number and a salute to the troops. |
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PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
Quote: do dead people care?
On 2010-04-05 15:27, KBLV wrote: |
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KBLV Regular user Las Vegas 188 Posts |
No, Droid. They also don't care if we dig up their corpses and use them for Halloween decorations, but we don't do THAT, either.
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Oyama Inner circle Portland, OR. 1054 Posts |
I don't think this thread is about talking to the dead...is it?
It's about revealing a dead persons name. You don't have to present it as talking to the dead to perform this effect.
"it's better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb."
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
If you need to temper the depths of emotions connected to naming a dead person, ask them to name anyone from history that they don't like.
The Mitox being that the energy difference between a loving live person and a disliked dead person is enough to perceive by your whatever powers. They won't get too emotionally involved if the person is from history. More clinical.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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coincard New user Paducah, Kentucky 54 Posts |
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On 2010-04-04 16:34, coincard wrote: I thought this (CT with names)was a fundamental and staple of mentalism. I would love to know if KBLV performs mentalism and does not practices a ct with a name?
Todd Duff
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2010-04-04 20:06, entity wrote: I think that's a perfectly fair question. Albeit 'slightly' loaded?... since it implies that you WERE presenting it as a real effect. I never do. That's MY type of mentalism. In that, in these cases, I merely brush the emotions and allow THEM to go where they want to go. BUT, in reading the above, it does sound like I'm evading Entity's question, LOL! So... if I am ever asked after the performance if I was in contact with the person who had passed away I waste no time whatsoever in letting the person know that I am a professional entertainer, and that I was NOT in any contact with the said dead person (wording it appropriatly of course). If pressed I am extremely comfortable in expressing my personal opinion that I do genuinely believe that we survive the grave and that I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the person who had passed away was actually in full attendance. This ALWAYS brings a smile from the recipient, along with voiced thanks for my complete candidness. In closing let me say that they DO see it as an entertainment and always DO feel ok about it in our 'afterchat'. They also understand that at no time did I instruct them to choose a deceased person. Bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Seems you don't present the contact with dead relatives as a "real" event, so my question doesn't really apply to you, Bobser.
If you make it clear that it is entertainment, people have the choice to participate on that level or not. - entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
Entity heres my question: if you present it as real [and if you really believe there is an afterlife no matter if its heaven;walallah or what you have] is so bad to give them some good words of joy and courage from the passed away person ??
what they have to lose or gain ?? serious question not a snide remark: we may disagree on the afterlife and on the psychic phenomena validity but I'm interested in your answer what one could fear ?? when the relatives also die they discover there is no hell or heaven [not saying there is no such thing: just asking] so what ?? in the worst case they decompose like you also will when your time comes and that's it do you fear they will come to hunt you for having cheated by giving them some positive encouragement when they were alive ?? fearing that would imply you secretly believe in ghosts !! or do you fear that IF they believe you they will automatically be the next easy prey for some psychic whos not ethical and will ask them for big money to keep in contact with the dead person ?? |
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