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I was once playing with a stack of postcards doing shuffles,cuts and other moves with them. When I picked up a deck of playing cards they did feel easier to handle and work with. I think the same principle applies.
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What do you mean by "springing the cards" ?
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Springing the cards: (verbing the noun) The act of ejecting cards, in rapid succession, from one hand to the other. Ex: As my 6 year old sister was springing the cards from hand to hand, it became painfully apparent that I'd been hustled out of my beer money.

P.S. I hope this helps, despite the fact it will surely raise more questions than it answers...
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On 2010-04-26 14:08, Failed Magician wrote:
Is this also good for practicing double-lift?

An interesting question!
Practicing double-lift with these slabs won't help your double-lift technique. But you can really use them to perform Ambitious Card routine by double-lift. It helps you have more confidence to do double-lift with normal cards.
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This topic reminded me something.
Should magician practice with old deck or new deck?
Your answer is...?

Why don't practice with the deck you like to use?
or practice with the other "normal" deck?

to me , it looks like a toy or a challange much more than a tool for practice use.

Second, if the slabs edge is poorly cut, Will it hurt the user?
If these things are metal, this question can be very serious.
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This deck really does what the advertising says. Use it for ten minutes and your regular deck will feel like rectangles of cheesecloth.

It's a great tool, too, if you're working on Sybil cuts and their progeny. Rather than rubber-banding packets together to get the basic motor function down to start with, the plates themselves act as talons, with the bonus that they stress-train your fingers.

The steel really isn't very sharp, although it's not polished smooth at the edges either. You'd have to exert a lot of pressure while sliding along and edge in order to cut yourself with these plates. Not to say it couldn't be done, but it would probably suggest that you're not using a light enough touch with the cards, were it a real deck.

Presumably, one could smooth out the edges a little with the correct grit paper and a good sander, if that consideration is a potential deal breaker.
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A pass is something that uses proper technique and muscle memory. This is some thing that will take both away from your which in turn means your pass will not be right at all.

The technique you use is with "cards" , The hint is in the name, Cards bend, flex and move where these gimmicks do not, there for your learning a new technique to use these metal cards. This I will in turn make your muscle memory respond different make your over accent a particular point or move with standard cards.


Id steer clear for those reasons and my humble opinion, Practice with a normal deck, one you will use day in, day out and your pass will come. Do it with this and you will need to relearn or adjust when you move back to your standard deck

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I agree with you, Alan, when it comes to the pass - particularly something like the riffle pass, which requires a flex in the cards. But I still say this is great for learning multi-talon cuts - at least in the initial stages, when you're learning the sequences.
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On 2010-04-27 03:40, Hondo wrote:
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On 2010-04-26 14:08, Failed Magician wrote:
Is this also good for practicing double-lift?

An interesting question!
Practicing double-lift with these slabs won't help your double-lift technique. But you can really use them to perform Ambitious Card routine by double-lift. It helps you have more confidence to do double-lift with normal cards.

Thanks Hondo.

I'm interested in this. But as a hobbyist with only basic skills or sleights, I'm still wondering what benefit I could gain from this? For sure I'm not learning pass, not yet at least. Invisible Pass, etc, etc, is still out of my reach.

That's why I asked if this would help me with my DL.
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I'll heed Alan R.'s direction. keep it the old fashioned way. Besides this is not the Shaolin Temple of learning card sleights. Next thing you know we need to carry a chop cup that has been in the fire between our forearms. and do the Karate coin - for real! ouch.
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Hey - I just wanted to chime in here as I have this item. I purchased it some time ago at Tannens. I thought it was a little weird at first, but I tell you after a few nights sitting in front of the TV using this, it has significantly improved my pass SPEED. Even though the pass may not be a "muscle move", it still helps to have better than average muscular development in the required areas.
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Use two of the slabs and have a borrowed bill sandwiched between them. Have the spectator secure the "monetary sandwich" with a rubber band or two. Then, using your powers of XRAY Vision peer through the steel to reveal the serial number.

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Card sleights require a light touch. That includes a pass. Surely you're just better off practicing with a real deck. There are no short cuts if you want to properly master anything in life, magic or otherwise.
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Hey guys,

I know this thread is a bit old, but I just bought this item, and I'm glad I did! While training with this obviously isn't the same as practising with cards (I've been training with both for the best of both worlds), after just a few 20 mins passing sessions with these over a couple of days, my classic pass has definitely improved.

I can already pass a deck much quicker now and my technique is a little cleaner too. Due to the nature of the steel deck 'talking' a hell of a lot more than a regular deck, it's helped me to make sure the halves of the deck are clearing each other neatly when I execute the move.

So, no, I'm not suggesting that you should ONLY practice with the steel deck (that'd be pretty stupid), but as a training AIDE, it certainly seems to be working for me!

Cheers,

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Much as in baseball, where you use "muscle memory" and "bats" to hit the ball, batters frequently use a bat-like device that is much heavier and lacks many of a bat's properties, such as flexibility. same principle here. no doubt weighted bats also provide an occasion for self-designed traditionalists to advocate the permanent supremacy of anything "old-fashioned," with logic as flimsy as cards. as against the attestations that the product is useful, those pointing out that playing cards bend more than steel aren't particularly helpful.
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Actually there is no such thing as "muscle memory". Nerve pathways are established through practice and that creates the ability to perform tasks easily.

Th argument that your fingers will hypertrophy [muscle cell enlargement] too much is a little bit silly since there are no muscles in the fingers,
only tendons. Our hands work like puppeteers with forearm and palm muscles pulling the tendons like strings.

I have a this product and I think it also helps train the pass. After you use it a while, you grip on the real deck is much more controlled.
Good job Hondo,
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I'd just add that immediately after using the steel cards real ones feel so light that I don't grip the cards with sufficient force and feel a bit out of sync. their optimal use is perhaps after some delay between working with the steel cards and using a regular deck. also, when you practice something like a charlier cut using the heavy steel cars -- i.e., something that is easier because of the additional weight -- the steel cards appear to be entirely counter-productive. for me, at least, it rendered my charlier hopelessly sloppy and required that I simply re-learn it and limit the steel cards to things they actually help. and they do seem to have utility as to their two main purposes: 1) increased pass speed, and, 2) interesting variations on familiar routines using steel cards. also, my back palm is vastly improved since I started practicing using the steel cards. any suggestions for getting the bend out of them?
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If you were thinking about getting this, now would be the time as Penguin Magic has it on sale for $18.75. Even if you don't use it for Pass Training, at that price I'm sure you can think of some cool other uses for it as have been suggested by some. I'm gonna give it a go.
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On 2011-03-20 12:25, rockwall wrote:
If you were thinking about getting this, now would be the time as Penguin Magic has it on sale for $18.75. Even if you don't use it for Pass Training, at that price I'm sure you can think of some cool other uses for it as have been suggested by some. I'm gonna give it a go.


Make sure you get one other thing to get the free shipping. It's a great deal when mailing something this heavy.
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