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bhayankaran Regular user India 146 Posts |
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On 2010-08-02 16:02, Review King wrote: I thought v1 was also a limited run. So limited (curse the p.o problems)that many including me have not received it. After getting the refund I would want the v2 atleast. |
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GODSQUAD New user Ga 49 Posts |
Thank you , Alan.
God Bless
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Lou Cirulli Special user 587 Posts |
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On 2010-08-02 16:08, JamieD wrote: Gee, I wish I had Version 1! I paid for it and was told it was on its way but is it coming? After being told yes I firmly believe NO. I'm happy my refund is pending though! |
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Nico Zottos Elite user 486 Posts |
Review King, in all honesty, your argument is getting a little tiring. At the time Alan released this effect, he was releasing it as an individual and independant performer. He had to buy every single gimmick and hand make every single gimmick. This is why he said it was a limited run. It was a lot of work to produce this for one person. Then he get's an offer to release an improved version with an unknown company. This allows the financial ability to buy in bulk and also gives him the oppertunity to have more hands constructing the gimmick so he doesn't have to be overworked. To say he "went back on his word" is unfair because he didn't know he was going to be offered this at the time. This is how Alan makes his living, by selling and performing magic. Do you really think its fair to criticize him for taking a deal? I think its selfish. So what, there will be more released. It's up to him and you have to understand he didn't know there were going to be more released at the time he listed Shmoke as "limited release". The circumstances have changed.
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Bernardo Rodriguez Loyal user 233 Posts |
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On 2010-08-02 17:43, Nico Zottos wrote: opportunity =] |
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bhayankaran Regular user India 146 Posts |
By the way, no refund yet Alan.
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
I'll have a look when I get home in the morning mate.
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JamieD Inner circle London 1798 Posts |
Yes, v1 was limited. v2 is not limited. Why does it matter if it was limited anyway? How does it make any difference to anyone's life. In the grand scheme of things, it will fundamentally change nothing. You'll still be able to perform and use it. It won't alter your life in any way. The fact that it was promised to be a limited run was only because the creator did not have the time to facilitate a large number of orders. He was fortunate enough to be able to release this properly and the opportunity only came about after the first limited run. It's an absolutely brilliant effect and device. The more magicians that get to use this thing the better. At the end of the day, were all performers out there doing the same sort of thing for the same reward. To entertain, do what we love and put food on the table. I think this thread has been one gripe and dig after the next. I of course am not going to swear or be directly rude or disrespectful to anyone, but please just cut this man some slack. He's trying to earn a living and spread some of his creative input amongst us. I, for one am incredibly grateful he chose to release it because it's because a regularly feature of my walk around act.
I mean no disrespect to anyone and hope this is taken with the best intention that it's meant. Jamie Daws
TORCE - VMRS - DARK SERIES
www.JAMIEDAWS.CO.UK |
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1908 Posts |
No refund yet.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
Alec |
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Astrocity Special user 523 Posts |
Jamie,
I am a fan of both Alan's work and yours as well. I own pretty much all of Alan's downloads from way back as well as a few of his DVD's. I have also purchased several of your downloads and have enjoyed working with them. The issue I had as well as many others who were "griping" as you put it, is because we paid for something that NEVER came. To make matters worse, when we attempted to communicate with Alan via PM's or email, we never received a response. For me, I posted on this thread because I saw that Alan was at least responding to comments left. As I indicated previously, I had a refund posted to my PayPal account last Friday, just as Alan promised. I'll say it again, I think Alan is a good guy and a really creative magician with some great contributions to the magic community. I just don't think he is a very good business man and does not understand the true importance of good customer service/relations. I had an issue several years ago with a download I ordered from Alan that took FOREVER to recieve. He had lots of apologies and some good excuses, but the transaction left a bad taste in my mouth as a customer. It soured me away from his web site and purchasing any more downloads for a long time. Since that time, I purchased some of his DVD's via a magic dealer because I knew Alan had someone else handling "the business end" of things. I hesitated for a moment when Alan put out the word on the Shmoke Units becuase of what happened with the download a few years back. In the end, I decided to go with Alan's creativity and take the plunge on the Shmoke Unit direct from Alan. As a result, I waited for months and never saw the unit. I truly feel Alan is a powerful contributing force in the world of magic, but I also feel that he REALLY should let someone else handle his business. He's not cut out for that side of it, as is the case with many creative people. The bottom line, I got my money back. I see it as no harm no foul. If and when Alan distributes Shmoke through a third party company, I'm there and I'm definitely in. I would not have ordered a unit in the first place if I was not interested and did not have confidence in Alan's creativity and ingenuity. Alan, keep contributing, we are all better off by it. HOWEVER, please let someone else take care of your business for you... Thanks, Hank |
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Two of I still missing refunds, I'll sort that in the morning. After shmoke 2.o I'm releasing nothing else.
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maps Inner circle 1124 Posts |
Hi Alan,I got the Shmoke gimmick and it's a great prop.I've pm-ed you for the download link that didn't work and hope you can resend me the link again.
Thanks
the heart is where the magic begins
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Astrocity Special user 523 Posts |
Alan,
For you to stop releasing your work would be a huge loss for the magic community and for us professional magicians who are out there trying to make either a part-time or a full-time living out of it. You are a fantastic creative contributor to magic. This whole V1 / V2 thing is a non-issue. People need to get a life and get a grip. My issue with Shmoke, along with most of the others who posted here, was with the way you handle your business and your customer service/relations. I don't think I'm shocking you by telling you that you are not good at it. Let someone else handle that side for you, a friend, family member, or a third party magic distributor. We know you are a good guy Alan, and you are a heck of a talented creator. Thanks again for the refund last Friday, just as you promised. As I told Jamie D, I'll be one of the first in line for the release of Shmoke 2.0. Thanks, Hank |
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1908 Posts |
I see the refund is pending till Aug 11th. Thanks Alan.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
Alec |
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
Mine is pending till the 6th
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Hm why is it pending?
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
I'll get back to you and see if it comes into my account on the 6th
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1908 Posts |
I have no idea why it says it's pending. But that's what it says.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
Alec |
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GODSQUAD New user Ga 49 Posts |
Yeah, mine says it's pending until the 9th.
God Bless
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Bundleofstix New user 72 Posts |
It's pending because he sent the payment as pounds instead of US dollars, and for some reason if you don't have that type of currency already in your account (even though you can have it automatically converted to USD or whatever currency) paypal takes a few days to clear the transaction.
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