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On 2010-04-18 12:19, Dannydoyle wrote:
one of the largest factors is still genetics.


Doctors are working on that too.
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On 2010-04-18 11:16, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2010-04-16 22:35, tommy wrote:
The premature death of physicians as long been known. What does that tell you?


That their twaddle and expensive machines are not what truly heals - but that instead they are transferring the sickness to themselves and eventually succumb?


The Physician of Dorian Gray?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2010-04-18 10:18, Al Angello wrote:
My grandfather did not believe in doctors either, but he was born in the 19th century. I really thought that herbal medicine was used to compliment formal medicine, but it appears that I am wrong. We actually have 21 century people who think that they are smarter than ALL the rest of us. This is a very sad situation.


Then lets close the argument right here. The believe in doctors, or science in general, without questioning it makes you part of the SMART majority.

Having a different opinion must be wrong, hence STUPID.

But wait...

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On 2010-04-17 13:59, Al Angello wrote:
My family doctor is a walking encyclopedia of the latest in medical research, while you, or I can only dabble in folk medicine.


Since you dabble only in folk medicine, the fact that makes youe part of the SMART is that you believe your doctor, while people questioning diagnosis or treatment are STUPID.

Here is one for you. If two doctors recommend a different treatment for the same patient and diagnosis, who should decide about the treatment ?


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I would call the Mayo clinic.
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Is that smarter than calling John Hopkins Hospital?

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Can he phone a friend?
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Tommy, I could not care less whom he would call. His life, his decision. Which is the whole point of my argument.

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Al. Phone Danny and whichever one he picks go for the other one. Smile
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On 2010-04-18 12:49, Al Angello wrote:
Danny
Everybody already knows that you don't like me, so why do you have to make this personal?


Odd Al, but this post indicates more that you are taking it personal LOL. I was simply clarifying that the best position is to sort of take care of yourself, and when needed defintely hit the doc up for treatment. Those guys go to school for a reason and hey they need the business!

You tend to take undefendable positions of superiority and I think that was sort of what confused people. We never said don't go to a doctor Al. I can't find a single post where anyone did, yet you keep saying those people are here. WHERE?
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Here is one for you. If two doctors recommend a different treatment for the same patient and diagnosis, who should decide about the treatment ?


Providing both options are based on evidence and the doctors clearly communicate the quality of the evidence for the treatments they are suggesting, the patient should have free choice.

It's more concerning when I hear of "doctors" recomending treatment for which there is little to no evidence at the expense of a treatment that has good supporting evidence for it's efficacy.
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On 2010-04-21 11:09, Davit Sicseek wrote:
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It's more concerning when I hear of "doctors" recomending treatment for which there is little to no evidence at the expense of a treatment that has good supporting evidence for it's efficacy.


Question is, how to gather supproting evidence for new treatments then. Animal testing is usefull only to a certain point. By doctors treating people using medicines without supported evidence, said evidence is established. Or not. With relying only on the proven, bleding might be still the main treatment.

As long as the doctors inform the patient that a treatment is experimental, I am ok with the approach. Not sure if I would take said treatment myself, though. But having the choice is what matters to me.

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