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Bill Hallahan
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Tom Cutts wrote:
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Well, no. Some people (those who are not dismissive) would take an approach more along the lines of I haven't found it to be so, but hey, try it out.

Well, "yes" Tom. What I wrote is true. C.J. asked for opinions of his presentation. If an experienced performer believes what is written in the first post is a poor presentation, he or she should definitely not suggest that it might be an ok presentation.

Your assertion that nobody can judge a written script is just your opinion, and in any event, C.J. specifically asked for such a judgment! And, he asked for it from experienced performers. While I have some experience, mine is vastly less than Dick Christians, so I do suggest paying attention to him over me.

And, Tom, ironically, your post starts out with, "Well no".

I give Dick Christian the benefit of the doubt that he actually believes what he writes, and not that some attitude is driving all of his choices. And, he's made positive comments in other topics when he thought something was a good idea too, so your assertion seems baseless anyway, although even if were true, it wouldn't be relevant as to whether he was right or wrong.

Some ideas should be dismissed. If you think this one shouldn't be fine, that's your opinion. Don't expect other people to answer a question the way you'd answer it. They should post what they believe, not what you believe.

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The subject at thand is an idea which got pooped on before it got a chance to show its value. Maybe that the OPer dropped his idea so fast is an indication in his lack of conviction to it, or maybe it is an indication he has been pummeled out of pursuing it. As an example, I could see Barry and Stuart having a field day presenting this ludicrous gymnastic mathmatical undertaking. It would be fun, funny, and engaging.

The subject didn't have a chance? That's a false assertion.

Neither Dick Christian, nor you, nor I, can stop you, or anyone else, from posting what they think about this, or stop C.J. from performing whatever he wants.

I think the suggestion for C.J. to try it out the presentation, as written, is not a good suggestion.

And neither my posts, nor Dick Christian's posts prevent you from posting that C.J. should try it out.

Tom Cutts wrote:
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Opinions read something like this, Bill:

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As to my own opinion, the implied script C.J. wrote in the first post sounded too long to me for the subject of mathematics. Even C.J. wrote it was a "long intro" in the first post. Could it be made interesting? I don't know, but I do find it difficult to imagine that it would stay interesting to most people as written above if all of it were used as written.


Not like this:
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And by the time C.J. completes his dissertation on the mathematics of the billion monkey challenge half of the audience will have fallen asleep and the other half will have left the theater to watch a soccer game on TV -- and C.J. hasn't even started the test yet.
which is issued as if it is an edict from The Queen of England. [although I secretly think she has a fancy for chair routines]

The second comment is an opinion, you just have to be able to read it in context, i.e. as the reply to C.J.'s question that I quoted, and of course, there is probably some exaggeration, obviously only one-third of the audience would leave! Smile

By the way, even if Dick Christian really was the Queen of England posting here, that would have no relevance, only whether (s)he's right or wrong. Smile

I've seen enough long-winded, pedantic, boring presentations to know what Dick Christian wrote is something that every performer should at least consider. You're perfectly free to disagree.

Personally, in this case, I think he's right.

Tom Cutts wrote:
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The basics of the idea are engagingly absurd, unique, and easily summed up. The execution is the tough part. Rather than trashing the idea or slashing it to the bone, shouldn't we be giving its theatrical due and see if it sinks or swims on its own merrit.

Not at all Tom, again, if someone believes this presentation will bomb, they definitely should post that. C.J. specifically asked for an opinion of the presentation. He asked for feedback from experienced performers.


Tom Cutts wrote:
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I do find fault when you post that someone whom you have never met and never seen perform is incapable of creating an entertaining presentation in the style he has imagined.

For the record, if anyone ever thinks any presentation that I post is bad, and I explicitly ask the way that C.J. did, please tell me it's bad.

Tom can then post to tell me I should try it anyway if he wants to.

By the way, the presentation is not awful, it's just needs some work. I believe the script in the first post is too long, and part of it is redundant. I like the idea of it. If it were my presentation, I would shorten before I would take Tom's suggestion to try it out.

And, by the way, there is no reason to get the right number of zeros on that number, you can always just express it as a fraction and then say that the odds are much, much worse. It might even be better to use a shorter number, and then say the odds are a trillion, trillion, trillions higher than that number. (Quadrillion, quintillion, and higher numbers don't sound as good as "trillion" to me, and they're also more difficult to say).
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On 2010-04-18 19:17, Bill Hallahan wrote:
By the way, there is an error of omission; the mathematics is correct only if the probabilities for each of the 50 keys being struck are all equal - not that anyone would care! However, if performing for a groups of scientists, engineers, or mathematicians, some dweeb would come up after the show and point this out. (I wouldn't do that, but I am a dweeb! Smile)

Yes, I thought of this! 8)

Thanks to all for your opinions - I didn't mean to start an argument. Thanks especially to Tom for offering a supportive hand.

As for the "Wide Banner", Bill, I do like that part. If anyone has seen the Ali G sketch where he is trying to market the concept of the "ice cream glove", I can see great scripting possiblilities. Especially when Ali presents his "big number" sideways. See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48TR0vUPQCs
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I'd also like to make very clear at this point that at no time did I imagine nor share the original post as a verbatim script. The reason it was so long-winded was to share the maths with people who have given the concept no previous consideration, just in case someone else saw potential in working this into their routine. At no point did I EVER suggest that I would make this a long-winded lecture or read my original post as a script. This seems to be a point missed by all responders except Tom, who seems to see that I was sharing a general idea rather than a manuscript.

With that in mind, I can see each of these points of view very clearly. Please stop arguing - you are all right, you're just viewing the original issue in different lights. At heart, there's not a lot of disagreement (except a single stylistic choice about whether a mentalism routine is allowed to have "aside moments").
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