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Guys I just got NFW and can't figure out the instructions on how to show 4 jokers. Anyone know of a video or what the count is named so I can try to find it in a book.
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Suggest substituting the Flustration count, showing four face-down Jokers. Then, as you patter about how there are different ways to turn cards over, you can position the cards so that you can then show all four turning over one by one, followed by the change into Aces. If you need more help, PM me. (I'll be away this weekend.) John
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Hamman count.
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Hello,
Follow the link below. I use the suggestions put forth by prawn-head, about a handling of Mark Farrars, with the extra Joker.
Thought I'd mention it.
Jim

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I ran a Thread on card counts with a different handling and free video support

You should be able to find a solution to your problem there
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=37&112

From your question I would say that the best count for you is a very simple one with an impressive name: Daryl's Mexican Turnover Top Change Second Deal (you can see it either in his Three Card Monte DVD or in his Encyclopedia of Card Sleights)

Another one would be Vallarino's Rumba count (a bit flashy to my taste, but it does the job)
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Ma by the Xerox count by Eddy Taytelbaum ?

I will put it on youtube if you like
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On 2010-04-24 18:19, goochelloog wrote:
Ma by the Xerox count by Eddy Taytelbaum ?

I will put it on youtube if you like

PLEASE tell me you are NOT going to EXPOSE a move??????? The OP has been given PLENTY of options to research, and IMHO, offering to expose a move on YouTube is rather unethical. It is NOT "your" move to expose.

Ahimsa,
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Goochellog,

Although I would love to be able to see a detailed video of the correct finger placement and mechanics of the count, I fully agree with Vlad about keeping with the principals of the Café for not revealing our secrets. But sincere thanks for your effort to help.

David
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Thanks for everyone's help. After reviewing a few of Bro. Hamman's tapes, reading the instructions several more times, and developing a timing- my NFW routine is well on it's way to render the response that bears the tricks name.
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On 2010-04-24 18:19, goochelloog wrote:
Ma by the Xerox count by Eddy Taytelbaum ?

I will put it on youtube if you like

PLEASE tell me you are NOT going to EXPOSE a move??????? The OP has been given PLENTY of options to research, and IMHO, offering to expose a move on YouTube is rather unethical. It is NOT "your" move to expose.

Ahimsa,
Vlad


You can however put it on "Vimeo" with an access code and release that code in the Secret Sessions. I agree however that putting Eddy Taytelbaum's count (which requires a table) on Youtube is criminal.
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My personal favorite is Lenart Green's Sweed count. you canuse the spectators hands instead of a table
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Has anybody thought of showing four regular Jokers out of the deck and exchange them to the NFW set?
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I think the Orion count can also be used here...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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I wonder how many of you suggesting these counts own NFW? Owners will know that because of a certain something these counts are not as effective as you might think.
The best solution which has been suggested before is to add an extra joker to start with. This allows you a more convincing count & you can give the extra joker out to the spec so they can turn it over in their hand & sort of 'join in' with the effect.
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It's interesting to me how much time is spent on the opening count to NFW. I used to execute a nifty count to make it work but now I use the opportunity to create a genuinely funny moment for the spectator. If you can make them laugh at the beginning of an effect or routine they will relax and enjoy the magic even more.

What I do is simply tell them "I have 4 jokers face up in my hand and I will now, magically, (wave hand over packet) make one of them turn over." Then do an EC to show one card is turned over and make a big fuss about how it actually turned over. It's as much HOW it is said but has never failed to generate a laugh, since the obvious conclusion is that the card was turned over to begin with. After showing the second card turn over is where the amazement begins.

I would encourage everyone to try this handling a few times to see how it plays. The reactions I get are much stronger now than they used to be, if for no other reason than getting a nice laugh in the beginning. This has a number of benefits: puts them at ease, increases your likeability to the spectator, gets them to pay closer attention what you're doing, etc.
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Steven,
Nice touch. Sometimes simple and straightforward is better.
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I agree with Steven on this. Less fuss and it becomes more magical when they actually "see" the next Joker turn over.
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I do it as follows. Hold the cards in right hand bid... grip, with the cards in the starting position. Then, with a break between the top 2 cards and keeping very small breaks as you go- 1,4, 1,4 to show 4 face up cards. As was noted above, some of the other counts don't work very easily because of the condition of the cards.

I know the explanation is vague but you should be able to figure out the handling.
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Magic Makers Ultimate Aces has a NFW routine. Using a biddle grip to count.
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Well, you have three options:
  • Don't do an initial count;
  • Add a card and perform an EC or JC;
  • Perform a four-card false count. My suggestion would be the Daryl/Hamman Two-For-Four count (DM Count).
So long as your presentation is engaging all these approaches will work. The benefit of using an extra card is that you can give an audience member something to do. No matter how trivial, I find that this normally makes for better magic, as there is more interaction between you and your volunteer.

HTH,

Marty
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