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Magic Eagle New user 1 Post |
I have an Avalanche Snow Storm device that is not functionintg properly.
Desperate to find the creator to help solve my problem. Understand that it is the same as David Copperfield used in his Snow Dream on You-Tube Appreciate any information. |
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts |
The Avalanche is NOT the same as Copperfield uses!
It's a rip off of both Kevin James & Copperfield's effect. You could contact the dealer where you bought it from or the person who sold it to you but I would save up to buy the snowanimator from Kevin James. the Copperfield version is not available for sale. |
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Dear Tristanmagic ,
you are really faster to say rip off , you are talking about what ? Avalanche is just a different system for The "Snowstorm in China " effect, and is not a ripp off , maybe you don't like it but for shure is not a rip off. |
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts |
Dear fabricem, why don't you ask Kevin James or David Copperfield yourself if they consider the Avalanche to be a rip off of their creation and don't be surprised when they say yes! I checked the facts before I said anything, did you?
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Tristan,
after this replay I can udertsand for shure you don't know exactly on what you are talking about, K. J. is one thing , Copperfield version an other and is also far and different from from KJ and Avalanche version and are also differents each others , so I don't understand on what you are talking about ? you don't need to talk for this obvious things. |
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts |
Fabricem, I know exactly what I am talking about, do you?
Kevin James created the no fan version of the snowstorm effect & Copperfield uses foam instead of paper snow but the basic idea behind it & the storyline is Kevin's. Avalanche is a smaller version of Copperfields set up that doesn't work properly (do a search here on the Café)and they are selling it without permission from Kevin or David! Check your facts! cioa |
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IDOTRIX Elite user Darien,il 467 Posts |
I'm with fabrice on this one. I own the snow animator from KJ and it is nothing like the avalanche. If KJ says they ripped him off something ain't right.
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts |
Idotrix,
Both KJ snowanimator & Avalanche use the same basic methode.(it doesn't matter if you make it smaller or hide it on your body instead of in a stool, the thinking behind it is the same) |
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IDOTRIX Elite user Darien,il 467 Posts |
Yeah, I sleep with a fan on in my room at night, Thanks KJ. I also confiscated all the leaf blowers in the neighborhood from the landscapers. Don't want KJ to be ****ed.
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Tristan you are too much confused!
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
KJ and his no fan version is a really different system from avalanche or EFX 2000 ,
this "no fan " version was used from Kevin in his lives show aroud the world from a long time ( I don't know now what he is using), he preferred many times use this" Huge system" than use his ideas ( snow animators etc.etc.), Copperfield is an other story ....... even different from Avalanche and KJ live version. |
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts |
Sorry my mistake (mea culpa)... I was confused between the avalache & BLIZZARD EFX-2000(both use CO2 cartridges hence my confusion) It is the BLIZZARD EFX-2000 which is a rip off of Kevins effect!(using a simular system to get the confetti in the air) The Avalache was inspired on Copperfields version but it is not the same!
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Hector Loyal user 273 Posts |
Well... THIS is a great avalanche!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PTLfUlrkwE Saw it live a couple of weeks ago... don't miss it! lol! thought it was a great method to smile after all this stuff |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
I watched the FULL VERSION of this and my thoughts are that he ripped off Tina Lenert at the beginning with her trademark routine. Tho slightly differnt it was the same idea. Nothing new or orignial there...
Other than that, there was no real magic to display. The back stage opened up and just blew a mountain of confetti all over the place. That's not Snowstorm in China. He threw a handful of confetti into the air and that qued the tech crew to start the snow on stage. The snow was falling from the rafters above the stage. It was meant to set the scene for what was to come but was in no way a magical effect. Tho on camera (and I'm sure live) it was impressive to see, one couldn't help but look at the folks in the front who were not very happy about being smacked in the face by the gail force winds and all the confetti. If you watch, many actually looked a bit annoyed. I have not heard of this performer before. He's obviously a very talanted actor (which is something that many Magi miss the boat on), but Magic...ehhh, I don't think so. However, with that being said, I was quite captivated by HIM the entire time.... Christopher
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Hector and Christopher
that is not Avalanche we are talking, we are talking about an other system to produce snowstorm from bareheands, Fabrice. ceck at the middle page here: http://tonyspicks.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html and this is the previous version of Avalanche whit out the evaporative snow: http://www.lacasadelamagia.net/tienda/in......vmcchk=1 P.S. Just for Christopher: that act is not a ripp off of Tina Lenart ( She also take inspiration from Kenny Raskin ) anyway, in Est Europe (Ucraine , Russia, Belarus, etc.etc) that kind of act is a classic of circus's acts , they teach this act in a Circus Schools from a long before than you saw it performed from Tina Lenart, the same is for the "Chairs gag act" and for the "Knife trowing act gag", that's all. |
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Fabricem Elite user 479 Posts |
Magic Eagle where did you bought it?
ask to your seller , anyway the builder of it was: Top secret Magic" in Ft. Myers, Fl |
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
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On 2010-04-27 12:04, Hector wrote: I don't know if it's the same, but I've seen this aswell in the Cirque du Soleil Show "Alegria". Oliver. |
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Oliver,
Yes it is the same! Slava created the clown acts in "Alegria" Christopher, Slava's snow storm is meant as a theatrical piece, not as a magic trick. It's actually quite fun to sit in the theatre during this snow storm. the people on the video are famous french celebrities on 'le plus grand cabaret (a TV show) that's why they acted a bit stiff... Fabricem, Hector knows that this is not the same as avalanche, he posted it here for fun. |
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Hector Loyal user 273 Posts |
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On 2010-04-27 18:54, Rafael (Belgium) wrote: lol thanks Rafael for that. I know that's not a magic trick nor the avalanche we are talking about, but I thought it was a very nice piece of art that I wanted to share with all of you, may be it wasn't the right place And, if I am not wrong, it isn't a Tina Lennert's idea, it is a clown classical acting method. What Tina Lennert did was to add the magic effects to that. Please, tell me if I am wrong. All the best! |
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Hector,
Kenny Raskin created the act with the coat that comes alive - see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAib1e_qWSU&feature=related |
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