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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I know that this room is mainly for hypnosis as opposed to hypnotherapy. However if anyone can give advice on this I'd appreciate it greatly.
I initially trained in hypnotherapy over 30 years ago. I am about to open a new practice. The group I received my accreditation with is now defunct and the last group I received accreditation with I DON't want to use anymore. Simply because they are mainly linked to analysis whilst I now mainly use CBT, Time Line and Parts Therapy. My query: Were can I gain accreditation in some form where I don't have to spend over a grand going through a whole course? I believe the easy answer might be simply to start my own Academy but I do enjoy being a team player. Ta, bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
There are a variety of lay hypnotherapy accreditation agencies. You might try the National Guild of Hypnotists which is centered in the U.S. but is actually international in scope.
Time Line methods are trademarked. The two big ones are Time Line Therapy and Time Empowerment. If you use either term without authorization of the trademark holders they might sue. For information on the former, see http://www.timelinetherapy.net/ . For information on the latter see http://store.ampac.edu/new-arrivals/the-......uct.html . You might be able to get certified through them but you'd have to talk with them. I don't know of any organization that certifies in Parts Therapy. My certifications came from Jaime Feldman. You might look him up and see if he has some sort of on-line or mail order certification. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Bobser
When you come up I will give you all you need. |Seriously Acredditation is worthless. The public couldn't care less. They don't know anything anyway. Seriously I will show you how to bypass that crap you don't need it. If you want I will certify you it has about as much weight with the public as anything. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Thanks for all that info craig, much appreciated.
MP, I know that there's actually a fair bit of sense in what you say since everyone who goes on these courswes of accreditation somehow manages to pass the final exam, which suggests to me that the pass mark is dependent on the final premium being paid. I have also come across(as I'm sure we all do)some pretty poor accredited hypnotherapists. However, I disagree with you in as much as I think the public do care and they're always looking for those letters after the name on a business card or the diploma hanging on the wall of your surgery. This, I feel, is the difference of whether you call yourself a hypnotherapist or a hypnotist. But, I have a funny feeling that here in the UK a therapist CAN indeed start their own 'academy' and award themselves accreditation. At present I can find no regulatory body here, although I'm sure it might be on its way. Anyway, thanks all.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Hi Bobser,
the Hypnotherapy Association and General Hypnotherapy Register are the two biggest (still cloutless) bodies/orgs in the UK. They both attempt to act as an umbrella for the industry rather than just representing individual training organisations. If you call them and explain your experience, previous associations, sign up to the standard code of ethics etc, they might let you in. To my knowledge they both charge a small annual fee. Although their attempt to act as some kind of standard is a worthy one I do not feel either of them have quite achieved this. However they will satisfy your need to be part of an association, your clients need to know that, and act as some kind of rallying point for isolated hypnotherapists through their newsletters and occasional conferences. Bearing a shield/crest/association logo can make a difference to people if they look at adverts. The question can of course be asked when they consider booking. However, I have had well over 5000 people through my therapy room and only one asked if I was a member of an association and I gave up on Yellow Pages style advertising many years back.. Anthony
Anthony Jacquin
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Bobser, you're absolutely correct in that there are people who have one or more certifications. I don't know the situation in the UK, but there is no single authorizing organization here in the U.S. Your also correct that with some groups it's pay for a crappy class and we'll give our meaningless certification. Here in the U.S., certification agencies are supposed to be separate from any school. That is, their certifications legally cannot be dependent upon taking classes from a specific organization (although they may automatically accept for certification people who they have certified to teach). One group, the Society of Experiential Trance, requires that you send in videos of your work as part of certification.
For an individual who is certified through a genuine certification organization and not simply looking to get the letters without having the knowledge or training (I believe you have both), becoming certified is a symbol that you have accomplished work and achieved a level of proficiency. Even if nobody else ever saw your letters, it is an objective sign that you have accomplished something. To someone looking for hypnotherapy, the initials indicate: 1) You are at least willing to put your money where your mouth is by paying dues to the organization that certifies you. 2) Most certification organizations, as with nurse certification organizations, require that you continue your education in some way (taking more trainings, doing some reading) each year you are certified. The letters indicate your continuing willingness to pay to further your knowledge and training. 3) Some certification organizations have lists of certified people, making finding a hypnotherapist easier for potential clients. 4) Having outside recognition via certification of your skills will give "authority" to your suggestions, making them (especially more direct ones) more acceptable to some clients. That's one of the reasons doctors wear white jackets when they work. For stage hypnosis, a great website and demo reel may be your best promotional tools. For hypnotherapy, having letters and certifications can be a powerful adjunct to obtaining clients and providing effective services. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Thanks all for the advice and info.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Bobser it really depends. The public care about results not how you are going to achieve them. I don't do "therapy" anymore I got fed up with that many years ago. Although I do use theraputic techniques in my work.
The thing is there are dozens and dozens of hypnotherapists around all with the same accreditation etc. To follow in their footsteps is handicapping yourself marketing wise. You will struggle to get a good return from your marketing. All the therapists I have known personally over the years NONE of them were making a good living they were all barely getting by. You will find business networking events are swamped with life coaches business coaches NLPers/hypnotists. Most of which have never had a single paying client. They are treated as a joke and nuisiance by most of the other businesses. It is essential t hat you differentiate yourself from the pack or you will be bundled in with them. Differentation and targeting specific problems - focusing in on specific problems and giving the proof via results etc. Forget about yellow pages you want to get to the top of google with your local search terms with a good landing page and direct response copy. I would have a landing page for each problem that is the most lucrative etc. Another strategy that I would employ would be to give away either on video or in pdf form a report on how to pick the right therapy solution and avoid pain losing money and frustration. This would cover all the types of therapy and therapists out there and what to expect. Of course you should be updating your skills to the point where you can blow all the other examples out of the water. I used to do this on the phone. If I were to start up today I would create a lead generation system as described above. In fact my plans are to offer the service of automated lead generation sites to clients who will rent them off me. But I do not have the full resources to do this at the moment. Which is one of the reasons I am going back to do some shows to get some quick capital. Whatever you do ignore Craigs advice its probably the worst advice you could get. It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of marketing. And hee needs letter to get "authority". You don't need authority for hypnotherapy if you are any good that is. |
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
And now, added to his admitting that he no longer does hypnosis shows, MP admits he doesn't do hypnotherapy. And yet he insists on telling everyone what to do.
IMO wisdom is indicated when you know what to do and what not to do. In this case, ignore MP and show wisdom. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Actually Craig I have three nights booked for a 700 seater during the edinburgh festival and a provisional booking for a 1200 seater later this year. I also have the option of a return 4 week run in October if the festival goes well.Your advice is the worst advice on the Café. When I decide to do shows I do shows that earn me thousands of pounds a night. Because I understand marketing and the market. These are the only venues I am interested in doing.
If Bobser was to follow your advice then he would simply starve. Well perhaps not starve since he is planning to do a lot of networking lunches. (which are a complete waste of time and money). Do you now how many business consultants, Life coaches, NLP practitioners and hypnotherapists you will meet at those networking events? And the vast majority don't even have a single paid client. They have been sold a dream a puppy. The other businesses are ****ed off with them swamping events and they are seen as a bit of a joke. If you want to make any money you need to differentiate yourself and keep away from the "mob". If you are making money dispite your incompetence then you are blessed to be in a place where the market is big enough to include even you. Over here you would starve. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why is there always only ONE right way here?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2010-05-03 06:27, mindpunisher wrote:When I decide to do shows I do shows that earn me thousands of pounds a night. Because I understand marketing and the market. These are the only venues I am interested in doing. Interesting. If that is the case why do you advertise on the free listings site Gumtree for hundred seater venues. http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/23/54746323.html TOP TIP ONE - Free listings may make you look CHEAP. More quality marketing via your gumtree link. http://www.shrinkhypnoticshows.biz/ Really differentiates you from the mob. TOP TIP TWO - You might want to at least check the copy, at a minimum check your use of capital letters at beginning of sentences. Bad grammer might make you look STUPID. Came across this old clip. I am guessing it is at least 10 years old, as you have hair and it is black. The clip has lots of comments all posted on the same day March 18th 2010. Interesting. TOP TIP THREE - Don't write your own testimonials it might make you look SAD. Good luck with the shows. Have you kicked off the marketing campaign yet? Ant
Anthony Jacquin
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
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On 2010-05-03 06:27, mindpunisher wrote: Ah, then you're a liar when you claimed you don't do shows. Why should anyone listen to a liar? Quote:
If Bobser was to follow your advice then he would simply starve. Well perhaps not starve since he is planning to do a lot of networking lunches. (which are a complete waste of time and money). Really? What advice, specifically, did I give concerning marketing would lead him to starvation? Oh, oh! I didn't give any. So once again, you're simply a liar. On the other hand, I answered the question that was asked and you did not. MP=EPIC FAIL. Quote:
Do you now how many business consultants, Life coaches, NLP practitioners and hypnotherapists you will meet at those networking events? And the vast majority don't even have a single paid client. They have been sold a dream a puppy. Of course, I didn't talk about such networking events. This is just MP lying about me. Again. So why should anyone listen to a liar, MP? Quote:
The other businesses are ****ed off with them swamping events and they are seen as a bit of a joke. Once again, MP shows that he is totally clueless. There is a reason there is a "mob." It's because that's what consumers want. If there wasn't a market there, no mob would exist. Keep away from the mob and you'll have no business at all. The trick, which real marketers know, is to be seen as part of the mob and yet unique within it. That is, being a leader of the mob or having something unique to offer within the mob. That's one of the reasons so many successful hypnotists trademark a name for their style of hypnosis, even though it's pretty much the same as what others are doing. So let's see. MP=Liar MP=False accusations of things I never wrote MP=Not answering question MP=No understanding basic marketing People are certainly free to take any advice he offers. However, I would encourage you to look at his record here rather than his claims. |
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Muzz Regular user 175 Posts |
Ah well...it's good to see that we are all getting along I am not going to offer advice as I have none to give! But if becoming a certified hypnotherapist is simply a case of paying your money and getting the certificate does that not make a mockery of the whole process. Is it really like that?
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
No Muzz, that is not what it is like on a good quality course, with trainers who work as hypnotherapists, who offer practical training, feedback, ongoing mentoring and assessed case studies.
Unfortunately because the industry is self regulated in the UK there are some people that will essentially sell you a certificate (or several) if you purchase their DVD. So if you are considering training I suggest you make your decision based on factors other than the certificate. Anthony
Anthony Jacquin
Reality is Plastic! The Art of Impromptu Hypnosis Updated for 2016 Now on Kindle and Audible! |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Craig are you on medication? If not you should consider some.
Muzz I can only talk from my personal experience. If Ant has had 5000 clients then he is the only person I know (well sort of know)that has done that well out of therapy. In my 18 years involvement in and out of a number of businesses Ive lost count of the number of therapists I have met. And none of them managed to do more than scrape by. Perhaps in other parts of the country it might be different but even so those I have known from trainings I attended all have a similar story to tell. The biggest one these days are life coaches who are often certified in hypnotherapy too. The majority of them have not had a single paid client. The reason there is a "mob" is because they were sold a dream. The courses were marketed as way to be your own boss and earn huge amounts of money. However there isn't really a market for them but the courses are still marketed heavily with more people signing up than ever. If you think you are going to make a lot of money with therapy you aren't. Beware of anybody that claims you will after their courses. Yellow pages doesn't work anymore most business is now online. There may well be therapist out there making a living I just haven't met any personally.(the majority don't) Perhaps Ant can elaborate on the marketing 5000 clients is a lot personally I would be suicidal after listening to all these problems. But he must be doing something right. But if its a subject that interests you go for it... |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2010-05-03 10:27, Anthony Jacquin wrote: These are in there to get a few practice runs in for the festival....Here is my real venue starting on friday 13 August. The fringe ads were finalized on Sat. http://www.mamagroup.co.uk/picturehouse/ This has been on the cardsd since January this year. I have another venue picked out and provisionally booked with 1200 seats. I had to put my foot down and insit that they put chairs in. They wanted people to stand so they could get up to 1500 in. With seats it halves the capacity. Nice try Ant Not good enough though...When will you learn? Tut Tut... Perhaps you could warm up for me on the pavement with your mates and hand out some flyers? I'll give you a signed flyer in return? And by the way that tacky webpage was one of the things that got me the deal. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
>>>TOP TIP ONE - Free listings may make you look CHEAP<<<<
That was simply hilarious coming from you. Jeeze you can actually be funny at times Im impressed. As for those clips you are right they are old clips. As for those comments I have no idea who they are from. The only sad thing is that some of you guys don't listen to what I say. |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
MP wrote: Craig are you on medication? If not you should consider some.
I don't know who this "Craig" is. I am on a medication known as reality and experience. On the other hand, you have lied about me and lied about yourself. MP wrote: The only sad thing is that some of you guys don't listen to what I say. That's because people want to listen to people who don't say they're out of the business in one post and then claim something else later. They're more interested in people who are honest and working regularly. |
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