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Swann101
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I have Mark Mason's double deception flipper, but would like to do a vissible coin peneration through glass. The problem is the Mason fipper cannot be placed down and shown as two coins, as it closes by itself and you need the magnetic coin on the other side. What kind of flipper can be placed down on a table and displayed as two coins? Would appreciate your help before I buy another flipper.
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The coin flipper that can be place down and displayed as two coins are call gravity flippers. I have a Liberty gravity flipper from RoyKuppers.com (Canada) and a gravity Morgan Flipper from http://joemogar.tripod.com/id24.html. Both are very good.

I understand that Johnson regular flippers can be changed to gravity by using 1/4" dental rubber bands

Hope this help.
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You might check out the new OxF coin from Schoolcraft and Mr. Tango can definitely help you out as well.
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On 2010-05-10 10:09, Bambu wrote:
The coin flipper that can be place down and displayed as two coins are call gravity flippers. I have a Liberty gravity flipper from RoyKuppers.com (Canada) and a gravity Morgan Flipper from http://joemogar.tripod.com/id24.html. Both are very good.

I understand that Johnson regular flippers can be changed to gravity by using 1/4" dental rubber bands

Hope this help.


Hi Bambu.

Are Roy Kuepper's Walking Liberty flippers the Gravity type? Or did you have to replace the elastic to make it gravity? It doesn’t say which type on Roy's site. Also, does his flipper have an internal band?

Thanks!

Jim
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Would a weaker rubber band solve the problem?

The flipper I have is not a gravity flipper, and depending on the rubber band, it can be set down on its own
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You can do a coin thru glass with either type of flipper. I think the 'standard' flipper gives more 'pop', but a gravity flipper is probably more versatile and can be handled more freely.
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Are Roy Kuepper's Walking Liberty flippers the Gravity type? Or did you have to replace the elastic to make it gravity? It doesn’t say which type on Roy's site. Also, does his flipper have an internal band?


Yes, Roy Kuepper's Walking Liberty flippers are Gravity type but not with the internal band.

The slit on the insert edge to accommodate the elastic band is so thin that is almost imperceptible to notice. Flippers with internal bands can also be ordered from him but of course they are way more expensive.
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I love my double deception (by Bob Swadling, by the way - no offence to Mark Mason), but it is not used as a flipper in the same way that a gravity flipper is used and can not be used in the routines such as those developed by Troy Hooser, Dan Watkins and Eric Jones, but it is awsome with a power pack or a Bob's coin box!

The main advantage of one of the new gravity flippers from Lassen (or schoolcraft) is that the design puts less stress on the band and that the gaff is easier to use. I am not sure that a looser band would give you the same ease of use as a gravity, but to each his own.

A.
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Thank you Bambu. I was hoping they were internal - the extremely narrow groove is hard to see but it also makes replacing the band difficult.

I'm having trouble finding Walking Liberty flippers. Schoolcraft seems to out of stock every time I check there, and Lassen's is out of my ballpark. I might have to try Roy Kuepper's anyway.

Thanks again!

Jim
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Folks, you do know that there are other suitable gaffs for the coins through table that don't require rubberbands - and do come with the shim/magnetic feature these days.

IMHO unless you really need the flipper action - go with the easier gaffs.

And do use the Swadling Double Deception to advantage - there's nothing wrong with using a shimmed card, a magnetic ring or other such to keep the gaff open when placed in specific places.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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What easier gaffs would you recommend for the coin through table?

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Hi, I have a question:
Can I do the effect of Double Deception using a Flipper Gravity Coin?
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The Schoolcraft or Lassen gravity flipper lays flat and you can do a nice coin through table routine with it. There are also several routines you can do with a expanded Sh**l as well. David Roth has a nice one on his Ultimate Coin Magic Volume 1. I was at Dean's Shop a couple of weeks ago and he did an awesome coin through table into a glass cup that was a thing of beauty done with a Schoolcraft gravity flipper.

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On 2010-06-06 11:48, JCheng wrote:
Hi, I have a question:
Can I do the effect of Double Deception using a Flipper Gravity Coin?


No, the gravity flippers work differently from the one supplied with Double Deception. There are certainly ways you can work around this and accomplish similar effects with the gravity type but to perform the effects that Double Deception was created for - the Double Deception gimmicks work best. At least in my opinion. And yes I do have all of the above.

Jim
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I just got a Double Deception and have to tell you I really like this gaff. I particularity love the coins thru silk routine. The workings of this gaff are a bit unique but I gotta tell you it is nothing like any other flipper I have used.
Definitely worth getting especially if you are a gaff-a-holic like me. Smile

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On 2010-07-17 11:35, TC Ryder wrote:

Definitely worth getting especially if you are a gaff-a-holic like me. Smile

TC


Uh Oh, TC. Sounds like we might have to have an intervention and get you back into treatment!

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For those who present your tricks:

"I have something very special to show you - it's in the experimental stages. Right out of the lab as it were. You may have heard that some things discovered in science are kind of uncertain - unknowable - and that there have been some amazing results from experiments where (allude to quantum entanglement if you must or just go with the basic half-life decay - ) so even when we can't know which, we can watch what. Here's the setup for the what. And if you watch closely - nothing happens. Remember a watched pot and all that - but if you just keep your eye on me - nothing in my hands - not touching them at all - from the corner of your eye you will see
(now the magic happens)
... it happen.

Now unlike a magic trick (wink) I'll be happy to repeat this one.

And to this day I really don't know in advance whether this one - or this one - will be the one to go...
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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On 2010-07-17 12:55, Sammy J. wrote:
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On 2010-07-17 11:35, TC Ryder wrote:

Definitely worth getting especially if you are a gaff-a-holic like me. Smile

TC


Uh Oh, TC. Sounds like we might have to have an intervention and get you back into treatment!

Sammy


Sammy,

Sad but true. I fell off the wagon for this one but couldn't resist.
The temptation was just too strong. That Mark Mason is the ultimate demonstrator. Smile

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That Mark Mason is the ultimate demonstrator.
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Have to agree with you there. Also, his table was right by the door in Tampa - you could't leave without seeing something else you "gotta have". Mini Die-lemma is on my Christmas list.

Alan
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