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mindguru Veteran user 320 Posts |
I totaly agree with you, about your hot reading exposure. I was thinking the same thing when he kept sayin there's a format for cold reading and that was not what he was doing. Also the fact he was so specific and no fishing.
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Garrette Special user 926 Posts |
Quote: No problem, but I'd like to respond before begging off the thread, at least for a while. I'm not trying to get into an argument or resurrect the old real/not-real shouting matches that used to occur (and which I occasionally participated in). Moreover, I'm about to head out in a couple of hours and may well be Off-Internet for a few days.
On 2010-05-11 09:08, Ian Broadmore wrote: But reference this quotation, if it applies one way it applies both. As a pertinent example: Your implication that what you and others have done is impossible via mundane means could perhaps be restated as "according to my limited experience and narrow understanding of reality, it is very unlikely that I used mundane means to accomplish what I described." When you acknowledge that, we will have common ground on which to proceed. The piece of ground I'm standing on is that according to my limited experience and narrow understanding of reality, it is very unlikely that you did not use mundane means to accomplish what you described. Take care. |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
Much as I am against exposure within our art, I honestly feel that, as a mentalist I don't think the public will associate what we do with the cold reading techniques of a psychic. I think mentalists are more subtle in the way we weave cold reading into out shows and routines. Take a trip to Amazon.com and type in 'cold reading', there are plenty of books on the subject available to the public in general. To be honest I'm not too concerned by Derren's exposure.
I remember asking a woman to mentally write her mothers first name on a large chalkboard, to really visualise it. Then I asked her to say the name of her mother inside her head a couple of times. When, after a little bit of theatre I correctly revealed her mothers name she was shocked and asked "you got her name just by cold reading? wow!" |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 10:09, mindguru wrote: On numerous occasions Derren made refrences to doing "research" which was also why the set up changed her name and address. This is not a great show for mentalism. And not a great show for Derren either. |
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 07:30, Ian Broadmore wrote: magnetic fielsd and morphic fields as explanation for telepathic etc. are scientifficly proofed wrong. the magnetic fields our brain sends are not strong enough to have any siginificant impact. at what universitys do you think are made scientific research studies at the moment? by the way: what claims joe? is it like in the movie so he claims to walk around and suddenly dead people talk to him? or is it that he makes a reading with somebody (e.g. some unknown person) and suddenly knows the name of his dead relative without anything wiritten down. if so: does he claim to know the name in 100% of all cases he makes a reading? |
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RickDangerous Special user I can't believe I made 974 Posts |
Statement by Joe:
http://www.joepower.co.uk/joe-power-news......ews.html
"Reality is what you can get away with."
Robert A. Wilson "Think for yourself and question authority." Timothy Leary |
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 10:40, RickDangerous wrote: thanx for the link. unfortunately I did not find in a quick reading anything about what powers he claims to have (see my questions above). so: does anybody know what he claims - beside whatever d.brown and he talked in the show about? |
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Ade2010 Regular user 157 Posts |
From his statement on the program:
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Joe Power wrote: However, this appears on the Home page: Quote:
Psychic/medium Joe Power was born different. His amazing psychic ability began in infancy and expanded quickly to include mind-boggling visions, out-of-body travels, auras, premonitions and a motley array of constant spirit visitors.Through the years, Joe learned he possesses the full array of psychic skills including clairvoyance, clairaudience and clairsentience. He sees, hears and communicates with the spirit world with incredible ease. |
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 10:54, Ade2010 wrote: thanx for your post. anyhow: none of both statements answers my questions. the 1st statement from joe is only about that he has gifts in general. the 2nd is only what fields he has his powers in. I asked for what conrete he is able to achieve with whatever power in whatever field. please reread my question. if you or anybody else knows what he claims to bring up as a result of his powers please write. I am curious. |
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Ade2010 Regular user 157 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 10:47, backinblack wrote: This was you question, was it not? Quote:
I asked for what conrete he is able to achieve with whatever power in whatever field. please reread my question. Could you clarify what you mean here? If you are asking what concrete evidence there is of Joe Powers powers, then I would say the answer is pretty much nada. |
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 11:08, Ade2010 wrote: "what claims joe? is it like in the movie so he claims to walk around and suddenly dead people talk to him? or is it that he makes a reading with somebody (e.g. some unknown person) and suddenly knows the name of his dead relative without anything wiritten down. if so: does he claim to know the name in 100% of all cases he makes a reading?" |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
About 'the sister' I think Joe probably leveraged his chances there.
Having said that it's interesting to note that he was NOT believed that it was simply a concidence and yet, when psychicy things happen the first thing Richard Wiseman will say is: "coincidence". Seems a bit unfair. bobser Great that Ian Broadmore's back.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 11:14, bobser wrote: it is possible to meassure if something is coincidence or not. it would just need a propability-test under clear experimental-factors-circumstances. e.g.: making a reading 20 times and looking how often he gets the name of dead relatives - what should no problem if he talks to the dead. just one question and one little answer. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I notice he is appearing in the Edinburgh Festival. I wonder how this will affect him positively or negatively? I also notice that hecalls what he does "an act" and also that it does give comfort and happiness to many of his fans. To be honest watching the footage of his show they loved him and they were getting something out of being there. Even Derren conceded this point. I wonder how these people feel about how they were made to look?
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 11:23, mindpunisher wrote: sometimes a look in the mirror does not give us the utmost nice impression about ourself but an interesting point of view to reflect ourself and/or our believesystem.. ;-) |
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Ian Broadmore Special user 555 Posts |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
To be honest I would never ever go see a clairvoiant but I am almost tempted to go see him in the festival. This might be the best thing that has happened to him.
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StuartNolan Elite user 479 Posts |
I'd like to see Derren Brown do a similar show with Shirley Ghostman
http://foolingnobody.blogspot.com/ That'd be hilarious. s
"One should always be a little improbable." - Oscar Wilde
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 11:52, StuartNolan wrote: It wasn't that far away from it! On the other hand imagine if a tv producer wanted to make Derren look like a twat? It wouldn't be that hard to invite him on something like Jonathon Ross and coach him how to mess up his effects. |
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-05-11 11:58, mindpunisher wrote: the difference is: brown does not claim to be the real thing. so at least he would be what he claims to be: someone who uses tricks. |
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