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Pakar Ilusi
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I for one am happy he has teleported!

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Seems appropriate that trolls originated in Norse mythology. I suspect our annoying young friend is from Sweden, or perhaps Denmark. I also suspect he is around 12 years old. His English seems much better on other threads I noticed.

Dude?
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On 2010-06-04 16:45, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
HEY frimuraren12!

No Video of you performing Magic?

After all that showing off how others are no good, you have no Video?

I thought so.

TROLL.

Consider yourself busted.


This is uncalled for.
This guy has the right to his opinion. We might not agree with him but he does have a right to post what he wants. Why is it when someone post "I don't like him or he looks cheezy" we always say can you do better.
I would love to see you perform for a layperson and the layperson say's " that was cheezy" Are you going to ask the layperson can you do better?
I in no way agree with most of his comments but he has a right to voice his opinion with out getting called out to make a video.
He does make a good point however, why do you think Chris Angel, David Blaine, Copperfield are so famous? They do change with times. I also think why Lance and Mac are so popular in vegas they have a character. You can look sort of cheesy if that's your character, Mac is the KING of that. Lance's character is the Master magician the best of the best.
So you do need more than just talent to be famous you need the "IT" factor.
Gazzo and Inidyls made some great points on here. Dai Vernon was the best of the best teachers in magic. But how is it that laypeople know Chris Angel and Copperfield and not Vernon. More laypeople know Gazzo than Vernon and Gazzo isn't a tv superstar. You can be the greatest magician in the world but if you don't have the "IT" factor the audience won't like you very much.

Now as a magician I think Carney is the greatest of today, but as a layperson I love watching Gazzo, Bill Malone, Jeff Hobson. These guys are the best entertainers in magic at least in my eyes they are.
So what I'm getting at is you do need more than just talent.
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On 2010-06-07 12:05, TKO MAGIC wrote:
This is uncalled for.
I'd disagree.

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On 2010-06-07 12:05, TKO MAGIC wrote:
This guy has the right to his opinion. We might not agree with him but he does have a right to post what he wants. Why is it when someone post "I don't like him or he looks cheezy" we always say can you do better.
And the reason I'd disagree is that frimuraren12 didn't write "I don't like him", or "he looks cheezy". He wrote

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And YES I would do better.
So no one called on him to do better or said that he didn't have a right to criticize unless he could do better. He made a flat statement that he would do better, so I don't think asking him to show that he's capable of doing better is uncalled for.

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On 2010-06-07 12:05, TKO MAGIC wrote:
This guy has the right to his opinion. We might not agree with him but he does have a right to post what he wants.
As do the people that you're saying shouldn't have posted what they wanted to.

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On 2010-06-07 12:05, TKO MAGIC wrote:
I would love to see you perform for a layperson and the layperson say's " that was cheezy" Are you going to ask the layperson can you do better?
I'm not. But if the layperson says "I can do better" then I'm probably going to ask him to show me what he can do. I suspect you might do the same.
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I agree with Xpilot. Maybe because I fly planes and find his name to be super cool. I'm in the camp that you ought to put your money where your mouth is. Making some silly claim on a web forum is worthless unless you're going to back it up with evidence. I didn't see this fool performing on Letterman, and I suspect that if he had, Dave would have eaten him alive. There's no "innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to the performing arts. You have to show your chops before you'll get anywhere - I don't care how you dress or how you speak. Yes, you need a combination of things to be very successful, but my guess is this kid ain't got it. I'll give someone the benefit of the doubt if they come across as a nice person and they say reasonable things, but he was over the top with pretty much every statement he made.
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Xpilot I'm not here to argue, but you are twisting my words. I did not say " But if the layperson says "I can do better" then I'm probably going to ask him to show me what he can do. I suspect you might do the same." I said if the layperson says you are cheezy, big difference.
And I was commenting how
Pakar said " Frimuraren12, where is your Video?

I am calling you out on this.

Or are you afraid to show yourself?"

Or Andrew saying " I think it's time you show us your disappearing act."

Than Pakar wrote "
HEY frimuraren12!

No Video of you performing Magic?

After all that showing off how others are no good, you have no Video?

I thought so.

TROLL.

Consider yourself busted."

Do we need to call the guy a troll or your busted or I think it's time you show us your disappearing act."

Andrew , I do agree with you on a lot of points he was over the top on pretty much every statement. But you said it best he made a silly claim on a web forum. Lets face it , this kid probably is very inexperienced and naive , we should educate him. Not calling him names or asking him to disappear.
Can't we all just get along. lol

Andrew that's cool you fly , so do I.
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What do you fly, TKO? I think managing to have kept a plane airborne all these years without taking it into the side of a mountain or the Pacific Ocean is the most magical thing I've accomplished. I mainly fly Pipers, Tigers and 182s. Hoping to get certified for the A380 soon (that's a joke by the way...I hear the rental rates on those are ridiculous Smile )
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The bottom line here is that the kid was indeed "busted", as in banned, from the site. It wasn't done by any of the members as they obviously do not have the power to do so, but by the moderators who took an evaluation as to ALL of his collective posts. Granted, there were some earlier posts by him on different threads that seemed to be rather intelligent in some respect, but then he decidedly went over the deep edge with nothing more than any reasonable intelligent person could consider as nothing more than gibberish!

He suddenly lost any comprehensive use, or semblance of proper grammar, and went on a ridiculous rant of totally absurd asinine comments. Opinions are one thing, trolling to gain attention is another. It happens on forum sites, now perhaps we can move on. Smile
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And although his silly comments really do not merit a response of any kind I can not resist commenting on his claim that Blaine would have done better. Did anyone see Blaine murdering the Tilt move on Oprah?

I don't think the critics on here have really analyzed just how impossible the performing conditions/angles were on the Letterman show.
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Jamy Swiss handled similar performing conditions on Craig Ferguson admirably.
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I stand by my words.

I called him out because he said he could do better.

I wanted to SEE IT.

Hey, maybe he can? Who knows?

But he didn't, so he was in my book, busted.

Imo, it was called for.
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On 2010-06-08 18:05, mumford wrote:
Jamy Swiss handled similar performing conditions on Craig Ferguson admirably.


Agreed. But of course the goobers commenting on YouTube just can't restrain themselves from talking about the methods.

You could not ask for a better host for magic than Craig Ferguson. Everybody send him a thank-you note!
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Agreed. But of course the goobers commenting on YouTube just can't restrain themselves from talking about the methods.




That's why anyone who post a magic performance on YouTube should disable comments.
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I believe this thread started as a discussion about "magic week" on the David Letterman Show, but then somehow evolved into something entirely different. At the risk of changing the current subject, I'd like to throw in my two cents on the original topic after finally watching all the performances.

I'm old enough to remember watching the "Tonight Show" with Johnny Carson, practically since Johnny started. That means I also had plenty of opportunities to see dozens and dozens of similar productions, as well as the many variety shows that used to be staples of prime and night time television. As a kid born in the 50's, perhaps mine is the first generation that really grew up with TV as a mainstay and more important, an influence.

As I reflect on how magic has been typically presented on TV (particularly on the late night shows), with few exceptions the presentations themselves seemed more like separate "acts" than part of the fabric of the shows themselves. For example, Carson, Griffin and others would often host close-up magicians on their shows, but they'd typically have a special set-up for them. We can still see many of these performances on YouTube. Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JufpAo-fF4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tyUcLJrpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNeFfOFJqEE

Very seldom would you ever see a close-up magician come out and act like a regular guest on the show, by simply walking onstage and sitting down on the couch or chair next to the host. In fact, I seem to recall that it was quite a big deal if a guest on the Tonight Show actually had an opportunity to walk right out and sit down with Johnny at his desk. That was, I believe, considered an honor among performers ... a sort of "right of passage".

I wonder if perhaps the manner in which magic has been typically presented on TV over the years, hasn't (in a subtle way) contributed to some peoples' impression that "magic is cheesy". In performance after performance, it almost looks like we are incapable of walking out like a normal person, shaking the host's hand and sitting down for a little interview. Instead, we have to have our special tables, costumes, patter and so forth. The more I watch these old clips and think about how they looked at the time, the more it feels like close-up magic was IN the shows, but not really PART of them.

My point is that I applaud the David Letterman Show for trying to present close-up magic as PART of the show. Each of his guest magicians was treated like any other guest and all did their "performing" within the context of that role. They didn't have a special table set-up, didn't use close-up pads and for the most part, came across as regular people who happen to have a special talent.

I could be completely off base on this and if so, I'm sure I'll be reading the posts very soon. But to me it was refreshing to see close-up magic presented on TV this way. It was, in my opinion, the closest magic has gotten to looking "natural" on television.

That said, I also want to mention that I have the utmost respect and admiration for the talented performers who participated in Letterman's magic week. I think it takes a lot of skill, talent and guts to perform on TV in any situation. In this particular case, Letterman forced them all to show their stuff through a different type of lense. Each of them did what he thought best to rise to the occasion and I, for one, appreciate them (and Letterman himself) for it.
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On 2010-06-07 15:33, Andrewzuber wrote:
I agree with Xpilot. Maybe because I fly planes and find his name to be super cool.

I've been using it on and off for 15 years. Thought it was cooler that 'Ex-pilot', especially since I'm still licensed although don't keep a current physical. I flew mostly helicopters and only have a couple hundred hours in fixed-wing though.
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Interesting perspective, Bagwiz. Certainly gives a different spin to having the guest magicians scrunched up at the desk. I think you have a good point...
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I agree totally. This is one of the few time a Magician has been a GUEST and not just an act. This is an upgrade for close-up magic and all magicians in general. This takes us from the levels of stupid human tricks to guests on par with other entertainers. BIG JUMP.
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WELL SAID, BAGWIZ!
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This is a VERY difficult setting to perform as they are out of their comfort zone. I could NEVER have done it. Well, I could have done it, but looked REALLY bad doing it.

Michael's thoughts on the set he chose and why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAVSpNfj278
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Magicians in the trenches deal difficult audiences and awkward situations all the time, and I wonder if many of these older pros get dirty anymore, they certainly don't need to the trench work. Then again, I have never had the opportunity to be on national TV, and commenting afterward is pretty easy.
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