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That would also explain why there are some hypnosis shows down south in pubs in clubs and even weddings. There seems to be very little activity up here.

The license fees are probably making it not profitable...
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Hey everyone.. I'm glad this debate has been started. Anyone who knows me well will know that this is something that I'm really passionate about.

MP has pretty much given the best advice possible. To legally perform a hypnosis show, or a show featuring hypnosis, you'll require the aforementioned license. This license must be sought from the local council licensing department. Remember that the license is PER SHOW and NOT per person or per venue. Even if you want to do 5 nights at the same venue, you'll still be required to seek out a license for each of the shows.

The license is pretty easy to get hold of as long as you have the relevant insurance (which I pay £812 per year for). Just fill in a form and Bobs your uncle. (That's Bob, not Bobser Smile). HOWEVER... you MUST be insured.

The insurance is not actually a legal requirement of the 1952 hypnosis act, BUT... EVERY council in the country make it a requirement of the license. Plus, performing without it would fall as an offence under various negligence laws too.

MP, Edinburgh council shouldn't have charged you for the license by the way, so I'd take them up with them - but WAIT until your shows are out of the way. No point in ****ing them off unnecessarily, right? They (unfortunately) are pretty powerful in terms of your career!

If you are caught without the license then you are liable to £1,000 fine personally and the venue owner can face a 6-month prison sentence and loss of their license. Trust me, it's a BIG deal.

Oh, and you can't get away with including a contact clause to put the responsibility on your clients, either. By law you're supposed to ask to see the license before you go on stage. It would cause you all kinds of legal 'schtick'. That would also cause you problems under the Unfair Contracts Act too.

Pape, in answer to your comment, unfortunately private parties in venues such as pubs, clubs, night clubs... and anywhere with a bar... will also now require a license thanks to the Licensing Act 2003.

Councils are allowed to ask for up to 28 days to process the license request, but they are encouraged to do it as fast as possible. I've had licenses put through in as little as 4 hours before.. but don't push it! lol.

All in all, just be nice to the councils and be helpful and friendly. They're only doing their job and following the law at the end of the day.

Quite frankly, I'll be enforcing the law as much as possible. I'm on VERY good terms with my local council (Sunderland City Council) and I put a LOT of license applications through them every year... so I'll be keeping an eye out for unlicensed shows in my area. Not being childish, but if I can be a*sed to do this business properly then so should everyone else... LOL!

MP is also bang on about something else... it's only going to take one little problem, mishap, or legal issue to hurl everything into the ground for the rest of us. I earn my full-time living as a busy stage hypnotist, and I'm not prepared to let that happen!

Hope that helps in some way Smile
RT - http://www.ComedyHypnosis.co.uk
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Rob I think there's also many people parking illegally in your area. I think the council would be delighted if you sneakily shopped them as well as your brother hypnotists. Keep up
the good work!
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Especially if they are hypnotists illegally doing a gig...

quite right double whammy....bet they don't have a current driving license too.

Get the scum off the streets.

Lets clean up society...

On a serious note Boser hypnosis is on the way back. But its like a little baby it needs to be looked after. If you are charging the right money for a gig you should be able to afford the insurance. Which I agree is a pain but is worth getting to make sure hypnosis is protected.

I don't see those that endanger the come back of hypnosis by being irresponsable as part of any brotherhood.
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Councils clamping down on illegal operators can only be a good thing for the industry. It means only the serious ones will overcome the hurdles and the crappy ones will find something else to do with their time.
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Absolutely MP.

It's easy for folks like Bobser to look at me as a 'grass' but at the end of the day, I'm just protecting my industry. If 'the others' can't be arsed (or more to the point don't have enough work to afford it) to get insurance then in my honest opinion they shouldn't be doing it.

So that's why I'd happily 'grass them up'... until they go off and do the *** job properly.

Why don't we all go off and start:

a) teaching people to drive, illegally
b) fixing people's household electrics, illegally
c) running hospitals, illegally

Doing all of those things would be illegal and dangerous for us to do, because we don't have the right training or insurance.... so the same applies to these prats who are off out there doing illegal gigs. Its just that too many people look at hypnosis as 'just another entertainment'.

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On 2010-06-04 08:08, RobertTemple wrote:
It's easy for folks like Bobser to look at me as a 'grass' but at the end of the day, I'm just protecting my industry.


I do believe that was last said by The Sherriff of Nottingham circa the Middle Ages.
Also quoted in the book: 'Grass Justification' by Alexander Smith (another grass).
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Bobser

Don't you think its not a great idea to leave yourself opened to being "grassed?" If someone can grass on you your doing something wrong. Don't you think your clients at least should know what they are buying? So that they can make a true decision about whether they should hire you or not?

Surely this is simple ethics?

Irrespective of what your personal opinion might be. Another reason I wouldn't do shows illegally is because I feel responsability to those that hire me. A few weeks ago I got an insurance policy which probably could've got me the license. But on closer examination it dodn't offer me the right protection. So I returned it and got one that did which was three times the cost.

My clients deserve the right protection it is their livelyhood too. And no can ever grass me that's the important part.

Is it worth doing low paid gigs and constantly looking over your shoulder?
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Absolutely MP, remember that if we, as hypnotists, perform an unlicensed show, the venue owners (license holder) who face the highest penalty.. not the hypnotist if the council decided to prosecute

I'm personally too ethical to put my clients in the position of facing potential prosecution. That's what you do everytime you perform unlicensed or uninsured.

R.
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I went out today and got myself the proper insurance and full licensing. It simply makes sense and I now feel much better.
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You went out and got 'full licensing'? Remember that the licenses are on a per-show basis.. you can't just get a full license.

Clarify..?
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Nice one Bob, I am glad to hear you feel better. Where did you go for insurance?

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Bobser your car insurance doesn't cover it.

Ant who designed your site? I love the graphics.
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Actually Rob I did just go out and get one. I got a FULL license, forever. It's 'not given to just anyone' they said.
Hi Anthony. I got the insurance from that place you told me about. Cracking good deal, thanks (Phoned you today, you didn't answer).
MP I don't have car insurance as you well know. It's just an old thing and not really worth bothering about.
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Im so pleased that our Bob is no longer an outlaw and has seen the light.
Well done Bob I feel safe to call you my friend now...(but only on here please refrain from telling everybody)
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I hate to throw another spanner in the works, but how exactly have you achieved this. Remember licenses are council-based. You couldn't possibly get a license which is across all councils Smile
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He forged it on his inkjet.
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They told me it depends on how experienced you are. I simply told them who I was (backed up by my Tai Chi Instructors license and photograph). They went into their files and confirmed that for me personally there would be no problems. Before I left I hypnotised three of the girls in the licensing office. The first a nail biter, the second possessed a fear of anal gerbils and the last was a fan of Cliff Richards who has simply had enough of his continual religious recruiting. All were cured within 15 minutes yet the one in the middle (fear of anal gerbils)is still in love with Richard Gere. Make of it what you will.
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Did you have to give the gerbil mouth to mouth?
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Nice try.
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