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paradize Veteran user Singapore 398 Posts |
Greetings ,
Can anyone guide me on this? Who is having great routine ideas or the best teacher on cups on balls on DVD?
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fortasse Inner circle 1201 Posts |
The best teacher on DVD is, by most accounts (including mine), Michael Ammar (ref. his two-volume set on C&B). If you can get his book (The Complete Cups & Balls) to go along with the DVD set, you'll be on an even faster learning curve. The DVD set includes a number of fairly basic routines (which, of course, is where you want to start) and an advanced routine in the form of Dai Vernon's classic routine which is still the gold standard. After you're done with Ammar's DVDs, you may want to go to graduate DVD school. If so, you will find probably want to check out the DVDs that variously feature Charlie Miller, Johnny Thompson, Al Schneider, Bob White, Tommy Wonder....to name but a few.....but start with Ammar.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
http://www.stevensmagic.com has "The Greater Magic Series, and the one on cups and balls is concise and has many great things.
To start from scratch I would suggest learning the Vernon routine. If you want to leave the herd, think about the Johnny Paul version, or the Ramsay routine.
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magiclimber Veteran user Boulder, Colorado 315 Posts |
I would start with vernons routine, then Michael Ammars stand up routine.
John mendoza has several good routines as well. A more complex, but great, routine would be kent gunn's fun shop cups and balls. Obviously the worlds greatest magic dvds are a good variety as well. |
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Hi paradize,
This is a topic that has been covered a fair bit, perhaps if you try the search function it may have a few threads already posted. The advice above is all good though! Bri |
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Jonathan Brown Loyal user Tappahannock, VA 288 Posts |
I agree with Pete- learn the Vernon routine. It combines all the ideas and techniques you will need before you learn anything else. I started with Ammar's VHS tapes way back when, and I can say they are probably your best investment (next to a set of decent cups) that you will make- next to Ammar's C&B book, which can be difficult to locate sometimes. Learn Vernon and take his routine and make it yours. It is a foundational piece that you really need to master before moving on. It will build your confidence and chops.
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
Vernon is the seminal, Ammar is the Practical!
Study both!
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts |
If you are a beginner or if you want to start with the fundamentals, forget about going straight into the Vernon routine and get the Ammar videos. You will learn the cups and balls from the ground up, and you will learn them thoroughly.
If you asked me what the best way to learn to play the guitar was, I would start you with something that was basic and worked its way up to a finished product. Certainly it is possible to learn to play the guitar by working at a very difficult song piecemeal, but it is much easier if you take small steps and understand them. And if you use the Michael Ammar DVD's, you will also learn the Vernon routine at a certain point. However, asking this kind of question is really kind of silly. It's like asking "What is the best double lift?" or "What is the best Ambitious Card routine?" or "What are the most comfortable shoes?"
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
For me the best primer to the cups and balls (which is also a very good reminder for seasoned performers) would be Bob White's Cups And Balls: A practical Approach DVD
Extremely good teaching and covering of the effects, the important misdirection points and moves. Don't get lost into routines that offer too many variants in the methods: you would end up doing nothing for being overwhelmed with possibilities. Follow Bob White: you will have a pro's routine that you can let evolve later on, but you will have a routine instead of knowing plenty of moves and having nothing. ... and I'm not a shareholder
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robbyrob New user New York, NY 66 Posts |
Yeah, these are excellent sources. Personally, I would start with Ammar, then move to Bob White once you've got the basics. All of Bob's dvds I've seen ROCK!
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Robby,
I wouldn't dare linking the word "basics" with Michael Ammar's DVDs with any stretch of the imagination. "Encyclopedic" perhaps. "Advanced" certainly, but "basics"??? Can you elaborate?
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts |
Paradize,
I have all the routines listed here previously. You can learn a lot from them all, I sure do. My favorite C&B artist that is not mentioned here is Eddie Joseph. You can get some of his booklets (4 of them deal with C&B only) from Richard Hatch at H&R Magic books or elsewhere. You can also contact the owner of CupsCon.com, Sean Dale ( sean@CupsCon.com ). He may be able to help you with a document he has produced that re-prints all 4 of Mr. Joseph's C&B booklets. dsalley13 |
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paradize Veteran user Singapore 398 Posts |
Thanks a lot for all your guidance.
Vernon videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De2tyFK8WA0 Micheal Ammar videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH4HpysHYe8 I also have his DVDs - Part 1 and Part 2. Eddy Rays Cups and Balls DVD 1 and 2.Just got them. Johnny Paul version, or the Ramsay routine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_CgDlFY8k As per above list : Below are some of the Cups and Balls Performers that have been mentioned. John mendoza Charlie Miller Johnny ThompsonAl Schneider Bob White Tommy Wonder This is yet a comprehensive list for me to work on my cups and balls routine. Thanks alot. I am wondering if any magician has produced a bird from that cup instead of Big base balls , fruits , vegetables. Any ideas on producing something different and unique..
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts |
That's why "Chick-Cups" exist. ;o)
dsalley13 Posted: May 19, 2010 6:25pm PS: I forgot Dennis Loomis' C&B booklet. It's superb too. The same for the C&B information in the new Ganson book. It's all good and you can learn from it all. dsalley13 |
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
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I am wondering if any magician has produced a bird from that cup instead of Big base balls , fruits , vegetables. Any ideas on producing something different and unique.. Many have and many treat them with respect, some don't. There's a thread related to this here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=115 Bri |
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paradize Veteran user Singapore 398 Posts |
Mindyourmagic ,
Thanks for the link. The sad part is the link is no more working and I cant get to see the chick out of cups...
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
Johnny Ace Palmer was the last guy I saw produce baby chicks from cups.
His handling is not explained anywhere, as far as I know, but his performance is on video... probably on his DVD set. |
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paradize Veteran user Singapore 398 Posts |
Best Site for Cups and Balls Information...
http://www.cupsandballsmagic.com/Cups-and-Balls-Videos.html http://magicref.tripod.com/magref/magcups.htm
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jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts |
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On 2010-05-20 16:44, Donnie Buckley wrote: Yep, he did it last night on David Letterman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW0j2EqVoHc A fine performance in spite of the microphone in the way.
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pabloinus Inner circle 1682 Posts |
On Palmer performance, the loading of the chikcs is incredible, I love it
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