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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Does anyone here simply use a one way force deck to force a card? As ridiculously easy as it is, do you have the audacity to do this without showing the cards face up?
Just shuffle, and have a spec take a totally free choice. Would we get away with this easily? Does an audience really need to be shown the cards as 'all different' before offering someone to take their choice? I know it's the easy way out, but I have fooled magicians with this really badly. But what about laypeople? Scott
"Great Scott the Magician", Gippsland
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CardMaker Inner circle Ludwigsburg/GERMANY 1063 Posts |
No problem, if the deck is switched in just for that trick.
Or, if the deck can be pocketed after the force as a logical handling of your routine; e.g. you need a pencil from that pocket. In general: yes it works.
CardMaker/Bernd Maucksch
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Odilon New user 54 Posts |
I try to stay safe and I put about 10 different cards on the bottom.
Then I say (spreading these card face up) "in a moment I'll have you chose a card", then I turn the deck and as I spread along the d***icates I say "but don't show it to me". Of course you could also be more direct and after the d**k s***ch you could just go for the selection but why don't add a little convincer? I use the 10 different cards as a convincer in the sense that I spread them casually, I don't say "look, they're all different" because this arouses suspicion. I just spread them to show how they will chose their card. |
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Just say "I have a deck of cards" while spreading face up the first 10 to 13 cards, they're different of course. Then square it, turn it face down and you're good to go.
I keep remember what Devin Knight said in one of his trick instruction, "Don't run if nobody chase you." So, you don't have to or always to say "Look, they're different" or "This is just a regular deck"; just act casually as treat it as a really regular deck. Don't act intense or they'll know something's up. One way force deck is sometimes useful. You can use it in junction with other deck or tricks. It would look very clean and fair to the laymen if we also could spread the deck on the table and they just slide any card they like from the deck. And I think I'm gonna need one soon if I could buy the CardMaker Deck Hope it helps.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Those are great replies. This makes the manual handling of the magic so much easier, allowing more effort to go into presentation.
"Great Scott the Magician", Gippsland
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
True! At first, I always feel that a one way force deck is for the real novice or amateur. I looked down on these decks actually. But then, nothing in magic society was made to be a waste (even some tricks were), but that's not my point.
My point is, sometimes we overlook something so simple and easy. This is one of the examples. At the end of the trick, what our audience feels and experiences, that's the most important thing. So I put aside that guilty and 'novice' feeling when using one way or two way force deck And you're right, because it's so easy, self-working and clean, we don't have to worry nor think about the deck. We can pay 100% attention on our presentation.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Paul Budd Elite user It's a shame he's only made 435 Posts |
I don't think enough performers utilize the simplicity of de*k sw*tch*ng...it's something that doesn't have to be over-complicated. As one person mentioned earlier...the entertainment result is all that matters.
His face isn't really this long in-person!
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Dale Houck Veteran user Dakota J Magic at Saint Cloud, FL 343 Posts |
I think a force deck could be especially effective if you're doing a trick with cards as opposed to a card trick. Card in balloon or rising cards for example. You can use a three way deck for the latter to great effect.
Magic is where you find it.....
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
I've always thought that's why it was called a "one way force deck"?
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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
The reason for this topic was to find out what your thoughts are on using the one way force deck over other sleights. Ok, it is just too easy. However, I liked the comment of not being affected by guilt because of this. If it appears as totally fair to the lay person, using the psychological subtleties as mentioned above (having 10 different cards added to it face up), it appears fairer than even using sleight of hand forces. Lay people know that when a magician is a magnificent card handler, they are being tricked by their hands because "the hand is quicker than the eye". This is a great way to eliminate that.
"Great Scott the Magician", Gippsland
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
If you can motivate the use of a one way force deck such that there's no need or desire to display the faces of the cards, or such that the display of the faces occurs with a deck other than the force deck (a switch), then you can do anything you want with it.
It's all about how you've built the routine. It's not about being "easy" or "hard".......but rather about what tool will work best for the job in light of how the trick has been conceived, scripted, and presented. "Performer Guilt" (as far as I'm concerned) has nothing in the world to do with using a one way force deck. |
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Jonathan Brown Loyal user Tappahannock, VA 288 Posts |
Look at Harry Anderson's "Wise Guy" by Mike Caveney. All For One is the routine. Great tossed out deck routine, but the force can be applied anywhere. I was reading this book today, and Dybbuk is really got my attention...
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
Not a one way force deck, but if you're going to have to do a d**k s***ch anyway, and want to show the deck as fair, there's the pop-eyed popper.
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Zebaztian Special user The Netherlands 655 Posts |
With the ultra-thin cards by Phoenix more tricks are possible: pop eyed popper + one way force deck.
My mind reading routines: http://www.basjongenelen.nl/goocheltrucs/. Scroll a bit down to the English routines.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
NEVER EVER say: "This is a regular pack of cards", even when it is. Psychologically by stating the obvious (even when the obvious "isn't") you are flying a red flag larger than the Pacific Ocean.
As far as the use of a one way deck? Why not? Method should never be apparent. Effect matters. We have so many weapons, so many methods of achieving MAGIC, why limit yourself? We are magicians, we create the illusion that the impossible IS possible. Whatever it takes to achieve MAGIC is my goal always. And I have such a long way to go! Stewart Judah, one of the art's Masters once said, "I have been in magic for over 60 years and I have only scratched the surface, but oh how fun the scratching has been!" Sleights, gaffs, and all manner of method are but pieces, still prosaic. Bring them together and... Ahimsa, Vlad |
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bertoneski Regular user 130 Posts |
If anyone is in any doubt about the very powerful effect one can achieve from
this deck then buy Derren Brown's The Devil's Picture Book double DVD. Doing a series of effects with a regular deck before sw@@@@ing, Brown gets the spectaor to shuffle and cut the deck before proceeding. On the strength of this effect a magician I know started doing this effect so often that he bought 52 decks to create every single one way force available! |
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bottlemaster New user Nottingham, UK 36 Posts |
I think it's Roberto Giobbi in Card College, who writes about the assumptions people make when they see a simple deck of cards:
- They assume the deck is complete (i.e. all 52 cards) - They assume all the cards are facing the same way - They assume all the backs of the cards are the same colour - They assume all the cards are different I think magicians can capitalize on these assumptions to great effect, and this is what makes a one-way forcing deck a brilliant method. If all goes wrong, simply spread the deck and say 'Look, all the cards have magically transformed into your selected card!'. And then turn round and walk away sheepishly... |
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outsider-80 New user 78 Posts |
That's good Bottlemaster. If we act like it's a normal deck people will assume that it is. They'll be given no reason not to.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2010-06-08 21:43, outsider-80 wrote: *Laughs, I said that earlier, just not as succinctly. It is true though that I have seen some BIG PROS actually say, "This is a regular deck of cards". I CRINGE when I hear that. What's even more disturbing is that I will hear COIN guys say it!! Ahimsa, Vlad |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Ironically, the only time I use a OWFD is when dealing with other magicians. They are familiar with all the typical forces (and can usually suss out a force even if they haven't seen it before) but fellow magi never see a OWFD coming.
In general, though, I stick with the classic force.
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