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On 2010-06-14 14:34, kcg5 wrote:
Lets talk about what just exactly "arms" are.

They're those fleshy things that dangle down from the shoulders.
Now,if we can quantify exactly what shoulders are,we're well on our way to a decent song.....Now hear the word of the Lord,Dem bones.Ad infinitum.
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I have had more than enough experiences with edged weapons that I am always worried about them because they are far more prevalent than guns. In 23 years we have had one incident with a firearm and over 200 with knives and the like. If my co-workers and I were issued with side arms I doubt we would ever need to use them....but our carrying would cause a sharp decrease in edged weapon incidents.
Next year I hit the big 5-0, and I have done so without ever having taken a human life. It hasn't been all that hard so I don't see why anyone else is having such a hard time.
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Freedom on the issue of self defense was so important to the Founders that they enshrined it in the 2nd Amendment. "The right of the people to keep AND bear arms shall not be infringed (emphasis mine)."


At LEAST get your quote right!!!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Very different meaning.

John
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On 2010-06-14 16:11, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Those who fight Monsters should be careful not to become Monsters themselves.

Armed or not.


I like Nietzsche as much as the next guy, but those who fight monsters should be careful not to become corpses, too.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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True that.
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I'm sorry this turned into a gun or no gun argument. It was a terrible tragic event and those people were real. In 1949 the US had people who had guns and certainly knew how to use them so based on the post by the young lady such a thing should not have occured here (the US). Howard Unruh walked around Camden NJ and killed 13 people with, I think, about 14 or 15 shots. So much for the idea that having guns available did much good.
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On 2010-06-14 20:04, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I like Nietzsche as much as the next guy, but those who fight monsters should be careful not to become corpses, too.

You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound.

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"At LEAST get your quote right!!!"

It says in the good book "And there will be a woman called Carrie and unto her is bequeathed the right to doeth whatever she likes with quotes. She may changeth words to make meanings clearer, or more explicit, or more to her liking."

Nostradamus said, "And from the land of big ponds and fading horseless carriage makers will come a maiden called Carrie. She will find trees bearing fruits called cherries, and she will pick them, but only some of them, and those she picks she will choose carefully, and those she chooses, she will hurl contemptuously at her enemies, but many will rebound."
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Carrie, that is the womans name....
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It is the only name mentioned in the good book, Nostradamus and the US Constitution! It is a name which sweeps across the length and breadth of the human experience.
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Has that innocent sound too...like Amber.
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On 2010-06-14 17:03, Carrie Sue wrote:
Anyone who wants examples of firearms being used defensively only needs to pick up a copy of any NRA magazine, wherein they reprint local news articles about regular people protecting themselves, their loved ones or their property with their own guns.

Look for the column called "The Armed Citizen."

Statistically, firearms are used more than two million times a year to prevent crimes of all sorts. Often the appearance of a defensive weapon keeps the crime from happening in the first place, and the criminal
either runs away or gets his just desserts.

Freedom on the issue of self defense was so important to the Founders that they enshrined it in the 2nd Amendment. "The right of the people to keep AND bear arms shall not be infringed (emphasis mine)."

Carrie
. What would you expect from the NRA? Articles about missused guns? Guns not used? Civilians killed? And how many people are shot/killed because of guns yearly?

And let's get into arms. I know it's lameduck buy how about an m60? A missle? Nukes?
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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What you'd expect from the mainstream news media, on the other hand, would be both sides. Good luck with that.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I was thinking the same thing... they could call it Oops! and give stories of people who were accidentally shot or shot a pal on a hunting trip. It would be fun! Thinking about it I have never met anyone who used a gun for protection but a couple who shot themselves or others by accident. Oops!
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It'd definitely be a short column, since he accidental gun death rate has been falling since 1930 and US accidental gun deaths per year according to the CDC were down to 824 (1999).

That's the latest figures I have. If they've been rising in recent years, please set me straight.

Liberals always head straight for the extremes when the subject of the 2nd Amendment comes up. "I know it's lameduck (sic) buy (sic) how about an m60? A missle (sic)? Nukes?"

No one is advocating any of those things for home or personal defense. So come back to reality and debate the real issue.

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Ok, how about machine guns? Home defense??? Hey, it's covered under the 2 amendment right?

And the guns deaths? The rate has fallen, and that means that more guns=less accidents?
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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On 2010-06-15 23:53, Carrie Sue wrote:
It'd definitely be a short column, since he (SIC!!!!) accidental gun death rate has been falling since 1930 and US accidental gun deaths per year according to the CDC were down to 824 (1999).




still, accidental gun deaths? How about shootings, murders?

What school shooting/protect leads to a accidental gun death?

And please Carrie, grammar/spelling Nazis are just the worst!!!!
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTO......TAT.html



The arguement that more guns to protect yourself is insane. Cops are qualified, not people.

Oh forget it. I have to go to work.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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As a well known liberal I will say that NRA leadership has said in years past that they felt that anyone should be able to purchase any weapon the military has.

Let us look at the CDC numbers from 2002 or that is what it says (you know us libs, we alter some things) and what I think.
In 2002, there were 30,242 gun deaths in the US:
17,108 suicides (56% of all U.S gun deaths),
Santa: This tells me one thing...gun owners ain't real mentally stable, quit shooting yourselves! It's messy.

11,829 homicides (39% of all U.S gun deaths),
Santa: Let's face it, some of 'em had it coming.

762 unintentional shootings (3% of all U.S gun deaths),
Santa: Oops! I say that will make a good article every month, some of 'em have to be funny.

and 300 from legal intervention and 243 from undetermined intent (2% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
Santa: There! Finally....that number is pretty low. Hmmm...seems that the need for a shooting for protection column is less needed than a shooting for accident.

Again remembering that I am such a hard corp liberal that I have an Al Gore tattoo made with organic ink, in fact I said no needles, I had 'em use bamboo shoots. The number you use for protection is skewed and don't make a lot of sense. I learned that most people who claimed to have went to Woodstock for the concert in 1969, you know, the real one, didn't go to the concert. There are more ex SEALs running around than there have ever been SEALs. And gun folks claim that they used guns to protect themselves even if they did not.

Sure if someone is attacking you then by all means use a gun if you have one and god bless you but the actual numbers of reported to police use of a gun for protection don't match up. Let's face it, virtually all violent crime is street crime and that means the use of a gun is out in public and would also mean it was concealed. Again, guns or yelling "get out of here ya liberals cuz I have a gun and will use it for other than suicide if need be!" doesn't really count now does it? Nor does the belief that if a gang doesn't beat down your door and rob you at gun point because they just 'know' you have a gun doesn't count either....except to those making claims they use guns for protection. The same can be said but from an opposite perspective for those who accidentally discharge a gun and didn't hit anyone. They are not likely to rat themselves out. So much for the numbers.

Hey, if you want to keep a gun in your house even with the knowledge that you are more likely to shoot yourself then go for it. Just practice a bit more, I mean in 1.5 supposed 'protection' events and you only shot 300 successfully? That is pretty bad.

In collecting some numbers I found a cute article about a cab driver who was in the NRA magazine column as protecting themself. Turns out she did shoot the robber and injured him, unloading her gun, a revolver. The robber then smacked her upside the head and took the gun, placed it to her neck, and pulled the trigger a number of times. Seems her shooting all her rounds is what saved her life because had there been a round in there she'd not have made the magazine.

Well, I'm off to drink tea and send out post cards made of hemp about global warming. Word.
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On 2010-06-16 00:41, kcg5 wrote:
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTO......TAT.html

Cops are qualified, not people.



Is it your position that people who are qualified should be permitted have guns for self/home defense?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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