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OMG. Santa I was about to award you the coveted "Freakin Cleverest Post in Magic Café History" Award but just be sure I googled and danged if it aint true!

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Dang right it is true....best opening to an article ever.
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I'd like to imagine the Hell's Angels looking down at the spent puppy-missile, then at each other muttering "That just ain't right" - or the German equivalent.
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On 2010-06-16 11:41, MagicSanta wrote:
San Jose California around 1998ish a drunk driving suspect took a gun off an officer in the police station and shot and killed him. There Carrie, you now have heard of a shooting in a police station. Doesn't have anything to do with the points made but still it has happened...


This one too

Officer slain in Virginia police station shooting

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/08/virgini......dex.html

So another Carrie hypothesis bites the dust
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Why? Doesn’t the exception prove the rule any more?
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On 2010-06-18 12:00, tommy wrote:
Doesn’t the exception prove the rule any more?

Yes, but it's "prove" in the sense of "test", as in the phrase, "proving ground".
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Tommy, while you are generally correct it was a response to the word never.
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The key to freedom is the ability to defend yourself against those in power.
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On 2010-06-19 14:45, tommy wrote:
The key to freedom is the ability to defend yourself against those in power.


Well said.

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Knives aganist guns in home invasion.

Lets see now. I own a gun for protection and I hear someone downstairs while my children and wife are upstairs with me. I know where they are. I do not put my gun in a holster and walk downstairs to get to that 15 to 20 feet before I present my weapon to make it a fair fight with the guy with the knife. If anyone here is familiar with home defense weapons you have to know that a shotgun is "just about" the ultimate weapon. Quite honestly if you announce that you have a shotgun and rack the slide it is enough to scare off most intruders unles they are on drugs in that case all bets are off you are probably going to have to shoot him. Again however you do not wait until he appears before you arm yourself. When he appears (you have visual contact) and he poses a threat (a knife, a gun, a club, or begins to close the distance between you and him). You shoot him.

The examples of shooting in police stations are positivley ridiculous and I cannot even imagine you posted then as an example to try and prove a point.

Get it through your head..criminals prey on the weak and defenseless, it is much easier and safer for them. However remember that when using a firearm... your life and or family or other people must be in jeopardy of extreme bodily harm or death. God forbid this situation occurs. If it does use deadly force to defend yourself whether it be with a gun or that number 2 pencil. There is no silver medal in these instances. The only winner is the survivor and for your sake I hope it is you and you are prepared if and when it occurs. Just pray it doesn't.

One last thing. Know your firearm. Shoot it and maintain it. If and when needed it will serve you as nothing else can. If you are in fear or firearms by no means acquire one. They are not to be feared. However they demand respect in their treatment and use. Firearms are only a tool or in many cases a piece of sporting equipment whether it be for hunting or target shooting, and yes last but not least self defense.
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We can get most of that from Dread, AND FIREARMS ARE TO BE FEARED!!!!!!!!








if not, what is to fear
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The shooting in police stations proves nothing except that Carrie was wrong to say no one 'never' shoots in a police station. In San Jose the detective was at fault for entering the area the cuffs were on the guy with his gun rather than locking it up.

I still say most people who say they used a gun for protection are full of it.
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We can get most of that from Dread, AND FIREARMS ARE TO BE FEARED!!!!!!!!








if not, what is to fear


Read my post. Firearms are not to be feared. Did I studder. If you are afraid of them do not acquire one then you should not fear it.

If you fear a double lift do not do it. If you fear a firearm stay away from them. Sounds like a no brainer. Unless you are now going to tell other people not to own one because you fear them. That is a different matter altogether when you begin to tell other people what they can and cannot own.
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On 2010-06-20 16:48, MagicSanta wrote:
The shooting in police stations proves nothing except that Carrie was wrong to say no one 'never' shoots in a police station. In San Jose the detective was at fault for entering the area the cuffs were on the guy with his gun rather than locking it up.

I still say most people who say they used a gun for protection are full of it.


Just curious. What do you use for protection? Or are you of the opinion you do not need protection? And please do not say condoms.

By the way are the shootings at the said police stations the only ones you could find? If so It sure seems that her statement while not to be taken at face value seems to hold true and I would say that a police station is probably one of the safest places to be if you do not want to be shot. Would you agree?

If I was to make a wager I would say that tonight someone will be shot by a burgular or drug addict in their home and I would wager that no shootings will occur in a police station this week. I also would wager that no burgulars will try and rob a police station tonight mainly because they know that the police are armed.

Hate to be trite hee but it sure holds true saying this:

Better to have and know how to use a firearm and not need it than need it and not have it.
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First you misread my post. I said that most people who say they USED a gun for protection not that those who have guns for protection are full of it.

Now to answer your question... I am street smart. I pay attention, I walk with confidence even with my cane when needed, I avoid situations that look like a problem. In my house I have a club in two locations but that is specifically for my old neighbor who is gone now...he was in need of a clubbing. Do I worry about a home invasion? Not at all. I do not do or sell drugs nor am I of a culture that members of said culture would likely have money in large sums in the house. I also do not associate with people who are scumbags who might be in the house visiting and drinking.

Here are some interesting tidbits. Most violent crime occurs on the street where people are not likely to be carrying a gun, in fact I believe it is 90%. Since only the paranoid and hard corp gunnies carry (other than those with a license to carry and most of them are at home hiding) that means the majority of the protection gun shootings take place in the home. In fact the study that many love to point at as there being 1.5 million events states that most people shot during a self defense situation are relatives and friends who got out of line at someones house. At least that is what they tell the cops! The 1.5 million events also includes, per the author of the study, people who yell into the darkness "get out of yar! I'ze gotsme a gun!" and then the invisible attackers silently sneak off without being seen...but by golly that feller protected his self and his family!

As I've always said, I don't care if you have a gun, I don't care if you shoot your friend The Duke because he spilled a beer on your couch, just do it and knock off the BS. It is like deer hunting, virtually everyone does it cuz they like to hunt and more power to 'em, just stop with the "I'z need meat fer my family! So what if my trip cost a total of $27 a pound!". That and I wear a condom.

I actually didn't look up anything about police shootings. I am from the bay area and it was in the news paper and news because the detective was killed, as was the shooter, and that stuff tends to make the papers. I'm fully aware it is a rare event but it does happen.
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Well I havea to agree with you ..Crap Happens.

I have been shooting since I am 10 years old. So that means I have been shooting for 57 years and been around individuals who have been shooting and I can say that in all those years there has not been one accidental discharge of a firearm much less a wounding or killing (this does not take into account Nam, I have been around several accidental discharged firearms in Nam) Also unfortunately I have seen and been around friendly fire accidents in Nam. I am talking about civilans and firearms in the United States at target ranges both indoors and outdoors and several lodges and cabins. I do not feel that this is luck but rather responsible handling and knowledge of firearms by those individuals.

There are a few rules that one must keep in mind when around firearms. First. All firearms are loaded. Second Do not poiint your firearm at something unless you intend to destroy it or punch a hole in it.

I am not afraid to be with individuals who know how to handle firearms, but give an individual a firearm that is afraid of them and you are inviting an accident. That is what I mean when I say do not fear firearms. Know how to handle them and as I stated before they can do what nothing else can in a self defense situation be it in your home or in the street and that is neturalize a situation at a distance if handled correctly.

Have to agree with magicsanta street smarts are vital. More so if you have a firearm in your posession.
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I was hurt very badly in a shooting incident. I don't like discussing this. I was on the shooting range in the Navy and there was a SEAL (this was Vietnam nutty SEAL time) running the place. My weapon jammed so I said to the SEAL "Gunny, my weapon is jammed". He didn't hear me and was looking at me and I raised the weapon to show him. That was all I remember until I woke up and my face hurt.

(This same SEAL tried to shove a drunk into a wall locker and dang near got him into it before he was pulled off...that guy was scary)
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Well it all depends as to how you presented your jammed weapon. If you pointed it at him you got less than you deserved. However if you simply held it up in a netural position you got one of those "nutty seals" for sure.

With the additional story about the stuffing of the guy in the locker I tend to believe you got a "nuty seal".
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I pointed at him.

The seal was nuts. He would jump in and out of windows and off the second floor. The drunk guy who was shoved in the locker cuz he decided he didn't need to visit the head to take care of business. To this day it was the single most facinating beating I ever saw, gunny wasn't letting skin or nothing keep him from inserting that guy into the locker...the best part was the drunk was charged for the offense! Loved it.
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Well, I am familiar with guns, have shot all types and have seen what they can do although never to a person or animal). They shoot bullets, bullets kill. Guns are to be feared.

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