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scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
There are routines I have come up with where it makes the spectator become the mentalist. For example, getting him/her to name the prediction before making the revelation.
I would like to know your thoughts on this concept. Would you think it is beneficial, or would it subtract?
"Great Scott the Magician", Gippsland
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Played correctly, it is the STRONGEST APPROACH in Mentalism imo...
YOU, they can understand are able to do those miracles... THEY do it. That's a MIRACLE. Imho...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Simon (Ted) Edwards Inner circle London 1528 Posts |
I agree. This is my preferred approach. It also makes for a less smug performance
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
I agree with the rest - its my preferred approach as well. The more you make the audience the stars - the more you will be remembered too - the key is to make sure you are associated with all the goodness so that you are still key - but the participants are the heroes.
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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praetoritevong Regular user Sydney, Australia 139 Posts |
Here's a thought. I don't necessarily disagree with the vast array of knowledge above. But...
What we do is extraordinary. It is unusual. And it is, often, beyond what is expected to be real or possible. For a spectator to be able to do what we do is nothing short of a remarkable experience. For a spectator to be able to do everything that we do makes what we do is redundant - it is no longer extraordinary. For a spectator to be able to do some of what we do is inspiring - if it is implied that it is possible to do the rest. But to have them actually do it is not. |
PWRIS Regular user 177 Posts |
Using / Transferring Your mental abilities so They can "switch in" to their own is the way to go IMO
Ted Lesley has some great works on this TL M****D Deck Card Stab, Paramiricals etc. Paul
Paul W. Randall
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
I disagree too. You, the mentalist are supposed to have the special talents and abilities. This is what makes you different, the reason for the performance, By making the spectator "be the mentalist" it diminishes it to a trick, something that anyone can do. Now I know some will say they spectator is the mentalist (in this type of routine) but it was me, the mentalast that predicted, influenced or guided the spectator to being able to correctly "be the mentalist". I don't like it and I feel it only plays to the one spectator, and the rest of the audiences is less included. Why cheapen what you do as the performer? Even though there can be a spin or presentations where it can be done effectively, I still say why?
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
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On 2010-06-04 00:57, scottds80 wrote: This is how I start off with ESPerfect. I ask the participant to let their mind clear, and tell them that what I want them to do is to see the card I’m holding up and concentrating on as if they were seeing it from my point of view. I have them relax and let their thoughts quiet as they look into my eyes and not at the card. I have them let their mind go blank of any images and their mind’s eye sees nothing but a black void. When they feel they are ready, I tell them to slowly let the shape of the card form before them in their mind. As it comes into clearer view they see the face is blank. A pure clean white face, with nothing on it. I reinforce the concept of letting their mind seeing the card as though through my eyes not what they think it might be…. Truly see it from my point of view. I then tell them that as they let their mind’s eye focus more strongly on the card that they will see a symbol begin to darken on the face of the card… starting as a light gray and becoming darker and darker. I then tell them to nod their head when the symbol is dark and crystal clear on the face of the card, but not to name it out loud. From this point on I proceed to go through my spin on the effect. Cheers Frank |
insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
Always make the spectator feel like the king and you will do well.
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aligator Inner circle Canada 2044 Posts |
Agree with the tone of these posts. I always looks for a co-operative environment with the audience(whether 1 or 60) and not only involve them but as much as possible allow them to be the mentalist. I find this can be done with at least 50% of your working material at any given time and am always looking for ways to make that happen.
The specs still know it was you or that it could only be done with your help but making them look good, to me, is always a good idea. |
Simon (Ted) Edwards Inner circle London 1528 Posts |
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On 2010-06-04 08:16, Mindpro wrote: That does not necessarily have to the reason for the performance. Entertainment is the most common reason. Obviously there are different ways to entertain. Quote:
By making the spectator "be the mentalist" it diminishes it to a trick, something that anyone can do. You are enabling the situation. They could not do it without you and your 'influence'. You remain the performer. Quote:
I don't like it and I feel it only plays to the one spectator, and the rest of the audiences is less included. That's a perfectly valid opinion. I don't share it, though. Cheers, T. |
scottds80 Special user Victoria, Australia 730 Posts |
Frank Douglas, I LOVE your routine! You have given me inspiration on the presentation. It is an intimate, deep thoughtful process you go through with your spectator. It would feel like you have power over their mind! This is perfect. It creates suspense and mystery, thus a highly entertaining effect.
I appreciate all comments. Those who sway towards the negative side of doing this, I understand, otherwise I wouldn't have raised this topic. But this can be overcome by exactly what Frank said. You still maintain the power in YOUR court.
"Great Scott the Magician", Gippsland
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
I'm going to write a two digit number on the back of this business card. I'm going to try and project it to you. When you feel it arrive you'll know. Ok here we go. What number did you think you received? 78 - ok. (NW and show they were right, that WAS the number you sent them)
Just goes to show how easy it is to turn some of the simplest stuff around. |
ryesteve Regular user 196 Posts |
I agree with those who let the spectator do the magic. These tend to be my favorite effects. Besides giving the spectator a more memorable experience because of their level of involvement, the more perceived control the spectator has, the more baffling the effect seems... and bottom line, that's what I'm looking to do... baffle them, and make them remember it.
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
I'm not sure if it's about you letting them be the mentalist, more you 'enabling' them to be the mentalist. Because you're so clever.
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
I try to "act as a guide"... lead them to "unlock a little used part of the mind" for the opener.
I do twist the ending phase, after they have gone through the "ESP test" phase into something else altogether. This can involve others at the table or just the lone particicpant. I have also added an extra gaff to the Rhine packet that doubles my "ESP test" phase hits. Cheers Frank |
Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
I disagree and don't let the audience become the miracle workers, but I do stress that there is nothing supernatural going on here and that what I am doing is all natural abilities that we all have, intuition, empathy, awarness, logical reasoning etc. I just show them the realms of possibilities.
Peace and Godspeed
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
PsiDroid Inner circle 2164 Posts |
Athos gimmick
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
Actually if the football's live and there's a happy hour on down the street I let the first spectator do the entire show while I have some fun elsewhere.
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
This topic is continued at The spectator is the mentalist.
Also, see the following topic. The first post asks for strolling routines only, but there are stage routines in this topic: Spectator as mentalist...
Humans make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to create boredom. Quite astonishing.
- The character of ‘Death’ in the movie "Hogswatch" |
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