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On 2010-06-11 17:18, gdw wrote:
Hell no. Magic should never be a puzzle.
Also, the bare MINIMUM any magician should aim for is to fool (that is perform without exposing a method, or letting it devolve into a mere puzzle) and entertain.

That's he absolute LEAST we can strive for.


Which part of Ballentine's act fooled people?
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Anyone ever see Otto Wesseley's act? I saw him live at the Wintergarten in Berlin three years ago. I haven't laughed so hard at a magic act in years! His version of the razor blade trick is hilarious -- the perfect thing to use as a finale at a kid show! -- NOT!
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I have to say I loved it.

He kept the secret just out of reach, all the way through the video I kept thinking I'd worked out the method, but then he does something which wisks away that possability.

Absolutly brilliant.
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On 2010-06-22 09:46, Xpilot wrote:
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On 2010-06-11 17:18, gdw wrote:
Hell no. Magic should never be a puzzle.
Also, the bare MINIMUM any magician should aim for is to fool (that is perform without exposing a method, or letting it devolve into a mere puzzle) and entertain.

That's he absolute LEAST we can strive for.


Which part of Ballentine's act fooled people?

Ballentine's act is COMEDY, and ***ed good entertainment. He even said he never id one piece of magic in his act.
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It's magical from a LAYMAN's point of view. Just when they have it figured out he shows the cloak to be empty.
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It's magical from a LAYMAN's point of view. Just when they have it figured out he shows the cloak to be empty.


I disagree. Once they think they might know ho it's done, he SHOWS them, y producing her head.
After that, all the showing of the cloak is just a game of hide and seek with the audience, and that's a game, NOT magic.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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It's magical from a LAYMAN's point of view. Just when they have it figured out he shows the cloak to be empty.


I disagree. Once they think they might know ho it's done, he SHOWS them, y producing her head.
After that, all the showing of the cloak is just a game of hide and seek with the audience, and that's a game, NOT magic.


It is Magic. Just not the Magic you'd like to see.

It's HIS INTERPRETATION of a Classic ploy in Magic, he entices the Audience with that head appearing only to take that explanation away. I'm sure you can find effects that do this from your own experiences in Magic.

Here's the ringer though, just because some Magicians know exactly how it's done matters only to those Magicians... The Audience loved his performance as seen in that clip...
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It's magical from a LAYMAN's point of view. Just when they have it figured out he shows the cloak to be empty.


I disagree. Once they think they might know ho it's done, he SHOWS them, y producing her head.
After that, all the showing of the cloak is just a game of hide and seek with the audience, and that's a game, NOT magic.


It is Magic. Just not the Magic you'd like to see.

It's HIS INTERPRETATION of a Classic ploy in Magic, he entices the Audience with that head appearing only to take that explanation away. I'm sure you can find effects that do this from your own experiences in Magic.

Here's the ringer though, just because some Magicians know exactly how it's done matters only to those Magicians... The Audience loved his performance as seen in that clip...


Audiences can be seen to "love" a LOT of bad magic.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2010-07-07 08:55, gdw wrote:Audiences can be seen to "love" a LOT of bad magic.


There's a saying that "a billion Chinese can't all be wrong". Obviously it's a saying that's not always true, but when a billion people disagree with you and you're the only one sporting the differing opinion then I'd have to go with the odds and assume that while you're entitled to your opinion it's probably wrong.
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On 2010-07-07 08:55, gdw wrote:Audiences can be seen to "love" a LOT of bad magic.


There's a saying that "a billion Chinese can't all be wrong". Obviously it's a saying that's not always true, but when a billion people disagree with you and you're the only one sporting the differing opinion then I'd have to go with the odds and assume that while you're entitled to your opinion it's probably wrong.


And yet, billions of people like Lady Gaga. Does that mean she's a good "artist?"
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I have to say I like it.

I understand the criticisms from some that it would have been stronger "magic" to them had he never shown that it was a two-person act, but I ALSO believe its true that this is culturally relative.

Personally I think it transcends the usual "oh look I made something impossible happen" into something that is part magic, part dance, and totally enchanting.
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And yet, billions of people like Lady Gaga. Does that mean she's a good "artist?"


First I doubt that "billions" of people have even seen or heard of Lady Gaga, and I suspect it would have to be at least 3 billion before you could claim that even 1 billion actually like her. So your comparison starts out with a failed exaggeration.

But even then, what is good art or a good artist can be very subjective. If you can show me that "billions" of people like her then I might be willing to say that she's a "good artist" whether I like her or not. I might even be willing to say she's a good artist if only a million people have seen her- if 900,000 of that million like what she does. Unless you've been appointed as the sole person allow to define what's "good"- in that case I suppose I'd have no choice but to accept your judgement.
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First I doubt that "billions" of people have even seen or heard of Lady Gaga, and I suspect it would have to be at least 3 billion before you could claim that even 1 billion actually like her.


I like her.

I stared at that rolling stone cover a good bit...

Now her music, well, cant say as I've even heard it. But I DO get the impession she is a very talented (self) promoter. And I respect that.
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That was fantastic.
Great act.
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