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I am in a constant battle against obesity because I'm lazy and sometimes make poor dietary choices. I manage to keep it under control but it really takes a lot of effort - weight goes on so easy but comes off real hard.

Having never suffered any serious injury I hate to even consider the difficulty of maintaining a healthy weight when bedridden or physically constrained from activity.

I quietly joke to myself about fat people all the time - as a chastisement to myself not to let it happen.
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On 2010-06-14 12:00, Skip Way wrote:
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On 2010-06-14 11:47, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2010-06-14 08:36, Skip Way wrote:
It's a simple matter of being there to help those who want a positive lifestyle change.


Well, for a few a hundred bucks an hour (insert your favorite local entertainer's rate here).


I'm not going to argue with ya, Lobo. I make my living as an entertainer and, in some cases, using entertainment to educate. I'm quite proud of that and merely mentioned a potential positive market for those similarly inclined. If you and Santa want to find fault with that, please continue to snipe away. I'll be the one gainfully employed, thoroughly enjoying what I do and smiling on my way to the bank. In other words - Up yours. Smile


Don't worry about me; I'm gainfully employed as an attorney, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I also spend quite a bit of time helping people without charging a dime for services that have a market value in the hundreds of dollars per hour. I also sell my time often enough to make it to the bank every now and then. In other words, up yours right back atcha.

I don't have a problem with marketing. But let's not make developing gigs sound like volunteer work, and let's not pretend that people who make unhealthy choices don't have the ability to instead make healthy ones. We're not for a second talking about "educating" people; we're talking about persuading people who know perfectly well that eating crap and not exercising is directly related to their weight, and who do so in spite of that knowledge.
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On 2010-06-14 12:00, Skip Way wrote:
I make my living as an entertainer and, in some cases, I use entertainment to educate.


And what, may I ask, qualifies you to educate anyone? Advanced degrees? State certification? Gnostic certainty about how others ought to live?

As a teacher who'd rather be an entertainer, I can understand that an entertainer might rather be an educator.

But I'm not sure that mixing the two is wise, nor that skill and experience in entertaining gives one wisdom.

And I am downright skeptical that emphasizing some kind of community responsibility to persuade others to goodness is a better alternative to an individual's responsibility to find the Good for oneself.

Lastly, I agree entirely with Lobo that people know what they're doing when they eat the entire box of Twinkies. Does anyone seriously think that the difference between one Twinkie and six is a question of edumacation?

Puuuhleeeeeze.
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On 2010-06-13 19:03, MagicSanta wrote:
Another thing, if you run into a truck head on while riding a scooter the helmet may get you an open casket funeral.....


This is true. Although overall, wearing a helmet vs not..... much safer with.
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You guys are ignoring reality if you think most people know the real facts of the junk they eat. They may generally know something is not good for them, but without knowledge of just how bad a twinkie is, one can't expect people to make difficult changes in their habits.

That is part of the reason we have legislation to include nutritional information on restaurant menus. It is EDUCATING the public that some salads are also in the 800 calorie range once you drench them in dressing like the restaurants do. That is more than a third of the basic dietary guidelines, and it's just a salad!
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A whole box of twinkies? The problem there isn't ignorance, or hunger. It's impulse control, not caring about the consequences of your actions. In other words, having the common sense of the average grade schooler.

It's the old joke- the adult walks by the children staring into the window of the candy shop, drooling, and says to them, "You know, now that I'm grown up and have a job, I can afford to buy everything in that store." Then he walks away.


Geeze. Complaining about a nanny state? If we live in a nation full of big babies who, all grown up, go and buy everything in the candy store, maybe we need one after all.
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On 2010-06-14 13:02, EsnRedshirt wrote: schooler.

It's the old joke- the adult walks by the children staring into the window of the candy shop, drooling, and says to them, "You know, now that I'm grown up and have a job, I can afford to buy everything in that store." Then he walks away.





that's an old joke? whats the punchline? I actually have said that several times...
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A whole box of twinkies? The problem there isn't ignorance, or hunger. It's impulse control, not caring about the consequences of your actions. In other words, having the common sense of the average grade schooler.

It's the old joke- the adult walks by the children staring into the window of the candy shop, drooling, and says to them, "You know, now that I'm grown up and have a job, I can afford to buy everything in that store." Then he walks away.


Geeze. Complaining about a nanny state? If we live in a nation full of big babies who, all grown up, go and buy everything in the candy store, maybe we need one after all.


Wow, I almost got to exercise my rarely-used "I agree completely with Esn" macro! Well, still, I'm with ya, right up to that last sentence.
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Believe me, Lobo, I'm all for letting them suffer for their rampant impulsiveness, but society's going to end up footing the bill for their behavior (at least for some of them), one way or another.
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Unhealthy food can be cheaper than healthy in a lot of cases. My family and I live paycheck to paycheck (2 kids my wife and I) It is very tempting

In my humble opinion Entitlement is the bigger problem. My parents smoked, I don't. I wasn't allowed. (They eventually quit) I am 33 btw. My parents raised me with the "do as I say not as I do" attitude. Worked for them and me. A lot of parents (and I have worked with families for 10 years now) have forgotten how to say NO. 12 year olds with ipods and cell phones. pg-13 have gone from no one wants to see them to the world's biggest blockbuster. Parents used to have to decide that a movie was rated R for a reason. We all want to blame coke and pepsi for getting in the schools. Why not blame the schools for letting them in and even more importantly talk about parents teaching their children to say no and make better choices. Certainly it's not easy as all that? Or is it?

My cousin turns 25 this year. He graduted from Xavier a few short years ago. When he graduated he expected to make 52,000 a year in his chosen fireld. He got into another field when he realized that he had to do grunt work to get to that kind of salary. I have to work hard to scrape by and don't feel I am entitled to anything.

Saying no to chips and candy is hard. Watching a child get tested for diabetes onset by obesity has to be harder... I could go on and on about entitlement But I just want to wrap up by saying that I think it is a huge contributor to obesity in America.

I also think it's sad that a box of fruit snacks costs less than 4 peaches...
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On 2010-06-14 14:32, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Believe me, Lobo, I'm all for letting them suffer for their rampant impulsiveness, but society's going to end up footing the bill for their behavior (at least for some of them), one way or another.


Agreed, again. This time without qualification. Still vehemently disagree (not with you) that the main problem is one of ignorance.
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You see I like to leave some things implied. Question: are there any people out there that are not aware that one of the things that is expected when one quits smoking is weight gain? I'd appreciate knowing who else needs that to be specified?

Let me make it clear. I put on weight when I was suddenly not able to excercise and quit smoking at the same time and found that with the non smoking food suddenly smelled better and tasted better and that is when I got fat. It was a combination of lack of movement and increased food intake that did it, the way to get it off is to reduce food intake and increase movement. Thank you.
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Tom, my post was in response to your post to santa-in which (I thought) you were implying, from so reason, that you had information that was different from what santa had said--as in he was spreading "misinformation".. If that's true, then so be it. My comment about misinformation was..well lets leave it unsaid.

Now, I agree with you about its time to "step up and take action". Although you are taking "action" by mentioning a few things on a magic forum-but in principle, I agree.. I think.
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You'd get edgy to if you had to watch out for a crazed, knife wielding Olivia Newton-John every time you strolled by the river.
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You Know, Olivia had a reputation before she hit it big in Nashville....

I just realized this thread is about fat kids! I hate fat kids! I now join forces with the rest of you.
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^You shouldn't hate on fat kids... they have a lot on their plate.
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Although you are taking "action" by mentioning a few things on a magic forum-but in principle, I agree.. I think.
Ya gotta counter misinformation where you find it. That and I couldn't log onto the obese parents site. Smile

MagicSanta, my familial experience with quitting smoking didn't involve increased eating. Another close friend just decided one day to up and quit... No food issues. So my "experience" is different from yours. Now you see what leaving things to implication leads to. But still, it was an injury and it wasn't quitting smoking which made you fat. It was failure to manage your caloric intake. Feel free to grasp at whatever excuses you like to justify it. To be clear and not leave anything to implication; you became fat through mismanagement of your diet. Had you managed your caloric intake to account for the lack of activity, then neither the injury nor the quitting smoking would seem viable excuses.

Seems like we have another audience member for Skip's edutainment show.
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Can we agree to forget about skips classes? Its getting insulting saying we all need to go to one tommy.
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The failure to manage one's caloric intake in proportion to one's active intensity and metabolism over a prolonged period of time builds up storehouses of fat within one's person.
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Dang, I just ate the majority of a DiGiorno's pizza (serving size, 1/6th a pizza, calories per serving, 320). I'm sure I'll regret it tomorrow, but ohhh, it tasted soooo goooooood.....

I did cut up a tiny piece to give to my son. It was his first time eating pizza. He picked at it, but I think most of it ended up on the floor for the dog. (Even at just 15 months old, he's very good at sharing.) He did eat most of the watermelon we gave to him afterward, though.
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