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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts 
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You rant on about exposure on a basic cable show and call ME touchy? Wow that is ironic.
If you actually understood my point, I think the rants would stop. I have seen guys doing 3 shell games for thousands even after it was "exposed". The only ones who cry are magicians. A good operator will take that exposure and use it against the mark, not cry about it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Danny, what good is there in showing people who have learned to deceive themselves how well their senses can be deceived by others?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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If you are asking me a serious question you will have to dumb it down if you want a serious answer.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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alpha alex Special user 774 Posts
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This thread is really pointless
I really enjoyed watching dan and dave in that show people here are way to touchy with 29.99dollar "secrets" |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts
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On 2010-06-13 18:59, Pakar Ilusi wrote: What is their level? Can they cast "Magic Missiles" with a +D4 yet? :23 -I kept thinking of Monty Python: "How to defend yourself if someone attacks you with fresh fruit!"
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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Nope, but they can ruin a perfectly good Magic trick.
If the Secrets truly means nothing, then why show it? Why do people so want to see it and ask you after you do a good trick "how did you do that?"? Well... Spilled milk and all...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2010-07-03 20:11, Pakar Ilusi wrote:... By and large they have not been taught to say anything other than "how did you do that" - as a way to respond to a magic performance. Also they have likely been presented with puzzles in much the same way as some performers present magic - so it's also a trained response. While one can deflect the question by way of introducing another item - it's sometimes okay to play with them in character. If it's an adult making that noise - it's about one away from them wanting to get the center of attention. You can directly ask, starting the question while looking at them, "did it look okay to you?" shifting to a more suitable audience member nearby to get their feedback - as if that was the intent of the original question. BTW, the tricks (or known patterns) of audience dynamics are not so well discussed in our books to date.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts
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On 2010-07-03 20:11, Pakar Ilusi wrote: on the other hand, the segment was so boring that I doubt many people, besides Theory 11 fan-boys and angry magicians, stuck around to see it...
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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Gaddy...
You're starting to look like Houdini...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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It's the hair.
I actually comfort myself with that hope, gaddy.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts
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On 2010-07-04 10:20, Pakar Ilusi wrote: It's true, I AM psychically channeling Harry Houdini's hair...
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goatears Veteran user 400 Posts
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I know this is an old thread but I'd like to point out that they were doing a gambling demo and explaining card cheats not magic tricks. Ricky Jay, Jason England, R. Paul Wilson, Darwin Ortiz, Dai Vernon, and Edward Marlo have all explained card cheats in their live shows on national T.V. or online. Dan and Dave were doing exactly the same thing that the magic legends of the past have done.
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2604 Posts
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I had the producers of an educational film on the muscles of the hand come to me for some magic work. They wanted to show me doing second dealing in slow motion, (not SUPER slow mo 10,000 fps or anything) and they wanted to show that even in slow motion , the muscles of the hand are so amazing that they couldn't catch me. Now if you're tight on the hands at the right angle, in slow motion it is going to expose everything. I told them I would be there the next day ready to go. They zoomed in on my hands. I took out the cards, shuffled... showed the ace on top and turned it back over. Dealt 4 or 5 cards to the table and turned back over the ace, dealt another 5 cards... ace... over and over. I repeated this 3 or 4 times until they were happy. They called me the next day raving about how amazing it looked on camera. They tried everything thing they could to catch me and failed. The reality? I just buried duplicates of the Ace at 4, 9 and 17 cards down. No exposure and everyone was happy!
Ray Pierce
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts
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On 2011-07-29 19:37, Ray Pierce wrote: hahahahahahaha genius!! |
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts
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There was a fellow who used to drop my magic shop about twice a year. He was an admitted professional card cheat. It's what he did. I'm pretty good with a deck of cards even in my dotage and retirement. When I knew this guy I was at my prime and even my eyes worked pretty good.
He was the best with a deck of cards that I've ever seen. So good that he would deal Greek Bottoms with plastic cards or whatever deck and I just could not detect it. Greek Bottom? The bottom card of the deck is reversed, so you are in effect dealing a Second from the bottom. In my opinion the single hardest card move I've ever seen or tried. He showed me the aces on the bottom, etc. Dealt in a modest and normal manner and the aces appeared where he wanted. His false shuffling...whatever was just freakishly good. Moves that are tipped on tv ... mostly a non event. Excepting maybe things like the Back Palm. It's one thing to think you know how a move is done and another to catch it in context. And, most folks look at that stuff and in short order forget it. Do I think it's ok to expose stuff? NOT AT ALL! But, it's going to happen and the more we ignore it the better. Making a fuss just draws attention to the fussed about thing. Most folks are too worried about their jobs, children, etc. to really care for very long. Best,
Brad Burt
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digiassn New user 51 Posts
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I think somebody already said it, but there is more to magic than the methods. Its all in the presentation and the practice. I know how Cirque du Soliel does their stunts, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I can do it myself. I can watch C&B routines all day long and still be floored by the seasoned professionals doing it, and I know the method and perform it regularly. Just compare a pro with to the amateur ex-posers on YouTube, its like night and day. You'll see that the only thing being exposed is the egos, the "know it alls", and the inexperienced.
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