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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I would like to know what Ian thinks about this routine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRf0kgnN33A
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Al,, Realy????
Then why didn't you just read the thread here, that you have already posted in???? http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30 Here I will re-post what Ian said in that thread for you here!!! Quote:
On 2010-05-28 20:43, magicians wrote: Unless his thoughts have changed, I would take it he would have said something in the other topic on Awakening.
No one said it would be easy, or did they?
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Thank you for the clarification.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2010-06-15 10:23, Al Angello wrote: I like the routine because of Harlan's thinking. The simulation of normal ropes allows the setup to be in plain site. The count of the three ropes is really nice and also deceptive. It is a matter of doing the move and seeing what you have in your hand and passing it off as true. It was pure simplicity and designed for the unsuspecting magician. In my "Dances with ropes" the thinking was different. I had a surprise ending and a secret move and made a conscious decision to incorporate as many new ways to have short medium and long become the same and back without repetition. Each move can jump to any part of the effect or you can do the entire thing. The last segments of an ungimmicked rope effect is closer to the elements of Harlan's effect, as you start and end with examinable ropes and can repeat. At one point, I have parts similar to Dan's but never utilize in the way he does. If it wasn't against my rules, I would incorporate Harlan's effect into mine. Instead, I will say that I will leave that to the dictates of an adventurous performer. The reason for the association of Harlan's effect and mine, is that there is a point in time where ropes are layed across the elbow and forearm and then the ropes instantly become the same length. The methods may look similar, but they are not. Not even close to the same method. The commonality is the result. Now, I did do an effect in Daytona last year that was the exact same method as Dan's (same pieces). It had been in my lecture for years, but I did not incorporate into Dances. It involved the same configuration, but I only did it as a quick tease and not as a routine. (I am trying to find tthe video clip to post).
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Ian
After a closer look at the Harlan routine I do see the difference. Thanks
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
What I like about the Harlan effect, is that he repeats the effect three times using ever-so-slightly different hand-offs. I do feel that the "loop" he forms deflates the routine, the rest of it is well done.
Both Awakening and my "Dances" both bank on the magicians eye assuming a pattern of anticipated movement that never comes. We both leave out the proverbial placement of ends in the hand to get the job done. Here is an "ordinary rope" short version of "Dances". I Could interject the "Harlan method" right after linking ropes. http://magicians.podbean.com/dances-with-rope/ordinary-rope/
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Ian
A very smooth routine. I also liked the line "can I have someone from the audience who is not very bright"
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DanHarlan V.I.P. 998 Posts |
First, "The Awakening" gets compared to Timothy Wenk's "Insomnia," then to "Fiber Optics," then "Dances." There are probably a few more routines we can throw into the mix if you'd like. Guess what? They are all different! All variations, each with it's own strengths. I think performers can decide which one(s) they like, and why.
I created "The Awakening" because I needed an effect to illustrate the premise of my script... that I don't know how my magic is done because I never learned the secrets. Quirky, but I like it. The magic had to happen instantly, repeatedly, and seemingly without effort. I think I was successful. Take a look and judge for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRf0kgnN33A --Dan Harlan |
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
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On 2010-06-17 10:39, Al Angello wrote: I was ok with the routine up till he said that myself!! Insulting an audiance member has never been my thing.
No one said it would be easy, or did they?
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
You thought it was an insult, and I thought it was funny. We obviously have different senses of humor.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2010-06-18 21:13, aceofharts wrote: That is such a classic line. The timing in my normal shows and if you are there is. Ask for an assistant, and, all the hands raises. Then, I say "someone who's not too bright". A few hands go down, most don't and the audience laughs. As far as lines like that,Finney, Schindler, Schartzman, and a lot of the old performer use one liners that seem impromptu and are funny. "give me your hand, no, the clean one", step over the trap-door", I use another one you wouldn't like... "turn around so everyone can see what a fool you are". So, "stand a little closer to the floor", and hear the laughter.
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Ian,
Nothing wrong with classic lines like the ones you just stated. I am sorry I did not see you ask for a show of hands in that video clip... I might have missed that and your correct I would not ever say "turn around so everyone can see what a fool you are". Classic or not no way would I ever say that to someone who is helping me get paid. But to repeat what Al has already said, We obviously have different senses of humor. -Floyd
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Did I see this wrong, or does the routine expose Professor's Nightmare?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2010-06-21 11:24, mandarin wrote: no exposure in either routine.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Mandarin
I think that Harlan's trick exposes too much of PN.
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2010-06-21 18:31, Al Angello wrote: Yeah, Al, I can see exposure of PN method. The moves are out of context, but the configuration was used to make a point. Perhaps the effect is best left off of youtube and confined to the lecture.
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KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
Dan, I like your routine for yet another reason, 'Its Name "!
THere is a good chance my booklet of routines for the PN, 'the professor's Nightmare, the awakening ", will benefit from your promotion of your handling. Around about way of saying thankyou. Ronald Dayton AKA Kotah |
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DanHarlan V.I.P. 998 Posts |
Ronald (Kotah)--
You're welcome... and I thank you for understanding that this is an unintentional occurence as was mentioned in the other thread on "The Awakening" : http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0 Personally, I'm happy to call attention to your work. --Dan Harlan |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I just viewed the Dan Harlan version of his "The Awakening" on the web. It was a delight to see such a unique handling for Professor Nitemare routine. It now makes the routine a full routine.
I have been doing the standard for many years and as it always gets wonderful results, it is just to short. Dan has expaned it to something that enjoyable to watch and draws interest for the viewer. If you do not like the explaination part, leave it out or only use the parts you like. Noone is force to perform something the exact same way as the creator. Some of the handling reminds me of Daryl's Rope Routine, not the routine per-say but the way magic happens instantly. I like those parts and I think that is what draws interest for many magicians. Make you think, "What just happened!" There is always room for creative thinking and a new product on the magic market, at least it is not another DVD with junk on it. |
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
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On 2010-07-01 18:00, wmhegbli wrote: Didja see my effect? http://stagetricks.com/shop/viewitem.php......ductid=2
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