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mmreed
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Take a stroll over to murphys blog...

http://blog.murphysmagic.com/2010/06/11/......eck.aspx

looks pretty nice... from about 2 ft away looks like any normal bike hahaha
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Well first off, I'll hold back any talk of "Money making schemes" until the price for each deck is announced. I do not however think that the Mandolin backs are going to be anywhere near the low cost of regular bikes.

That being said, Murphys magic is not the only company that gets gaffs printed for distribution. (Dbers and DFers and such). The question I would like an answer to is simple. Is the USPCC going to continue to print gaffs on the rider back cards? I'm again talking about DBers and gaffs on the faces of the cards like an overlap card. Not anything having to do with changing the back design or ace. The Murphy's blog doesn't seem to mention it. (And probably with good reason).

I just got Dave Solomon's oil and water DVD and it came with a BUNCH of gaffs that were printed by the USPCC on rider back. So the USPCC is apparently still printing gaffs.

This whole thing just doesn't make sense. Starting a whole new line of cards just so gaffs can be printed with the back design? No... This sounds like a way for someone to cash in. How many gaffs are there right now that alter the back design of a card anyway?
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If I had to guess, Id say they will be priced like a novelty deck ... hopefully not. Hopefully it's a normal deck price of $3 or under. It really needs to be if they want them to be adopted by magicians for everyday use.
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On 2010-06-17 21:54, mmreed wrote:
If I had to guess, Id say they will be priced like a novelty deck ...


That's what I'm thinking too...
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Time will tell, I guess.
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Wish they put some in Walmart and Target etc. to get people use to seeing them even if they price them a little higher than standards. Also It would make it easier to buy. Kind of like a high end playing card.

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This will never happen. I got this info from USPCC, the Mandolin is targeting only the magicians, like the Phoenix deck.
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The day that I can walk into Wal-mart and buy these is the day I'll try them out. If that's not going to happen then forget it.

So.. These are replacing Bicycles for MAGICIANS then. The way everything was reading it seemed like they were going to market these right along side bikes. Which sort of seems dumb now that I think about it. Why would the USPCC put these up right along side bikes in the stores.

I don't think I'll be paying for shipping cards at any rate. That makes everything even more expensive.
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What bothers me is that they will be 'the sole distributor' of these cards for USPCC.

What if you or more wants to make a deck? Only thru Murphys?
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What also bothers me is that it won't be long before the public wisens onto the fact that these 'Mandolin' decks are in fact 'Magician' decks.

And what finally(!) bothers me is that Murphys presumes that members of Magicland will change all their gaff cards...just to have different looking cards to what members of the public are used to. Just my opinion.
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I think many are missing the point of Murphys releasing this item...

USPCC will NOT allow any gaffs to the bike decks. This means all the various effects relying on such gaffs are now DEAD. Sure, folks can split cards and try gaffing themselves using inkjet printers and home methods...

With USPCC cutting off the bikes, they effectively killed off a portion of magic.

This item is simply meant to offer an alternative - one that closely resembles the bikes, so it visually blends.

I honestly think that if you placed a bike and a mandolin deck into any laypersons card games, they would rarely even notice it.

Rather than scorn, complain, and blacklist this deck, why not see it as AN AVAILABLE TOOL to use if you CHOOSE to do so?

Options are never a bad thing...
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On 2010-06-20 11:44, mmreed wrote:
I think many are missing the point of Murphys releasing this item...

USPCC will NOT allow any gaffs to the bike decks.


As has been stated many times, this is simply not true. They will continue to make gaffs for bicycle decks.
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The USPCC is NOT STOPPING GAFF PRINTING ON BICYCLE CARDS.

This whole "No more bicycle gaffs" thing is simply a rumor born of the USPCC's announcement that they will no longer make alterations to their trademarked designs. That means no alterations to the BACK DESIGN, The ace of spades or the joker. That DOES NOT mean that they will not print common gaffs such as DB'ers, DF'ers and Blank back or face cards as these do not alter the trademark design. Also, Gaffs having to do with the face of the cards, Such as split face and overlap face gaffs are fine as well as long as they don't involve the ace of spades or the joker.

I just got Dave Solomon's oil and water remixed which was released a few weeks ago and it comes with a few gaffs printed by the USPCC.

The USPCC is still printing gaffs.
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Guys when I say gaffs.. I mean GAFFs... where the back design is changed... we all know they will make the typicals - db, df, ect...

When people say USPCC wont make gaffs, we mean things like PHs twilight angels.

I think the dead horse of USPCC will make double backers, ect... has been beat.

this new deck is a design that is meant to be close to the bike design... a tool... use it if you want... if you don't... you don't...

No need to create a whole 9/11 conspiracy theory out of it.
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Hey Mark,

It's just that the story of the "No gaffs" thing has been spreading for a while now. Myself, I think it was started by others who want to sell more of their non bicycle decks. That's why every time I see "No more gaffs" I remind everyone which gaffs are being talked about.
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Thanks Voldemort, people got mixed when talking about "stop printing gaff cards". Even I know exactly which one the USPCC meant, but not everyone got the same perception.
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Okay, I have a little bit of the scoop on this. It appears that Bicycle is "winding down" the 808 gaffs (DBs, blank faced, etc). They will be harder to get in the future.

The Mandolins will be reasonably priced (not novelty prices) and will be sold in some regular shops eventually.

I am not talking out of my rear end here.

Also, in my opinion, they most likely will not be known as "magician" cards as the majority of lay people know next to nothing about playing cards. I know because I've been purposely asking a lot of lay people lately about cards and, trust me, they don't know brands. A lot of them didn't even know what the heck Bicycle cards were.
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I took a good hard look at the back design. I don't see a single Bicycle on there, so WHY are they called Bicycle Mandolin cards? I rarely use Rider backs, so it doesn't matter to me.
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But in some countries, people think that Bicycle (regular one) is somehow a magician's cards.

Not always, but sometimes I have to spread thoroughly just to prove that indeed it is only a regular deck with no funny business about it. However, once you've convinced them, the next time you show a different trick, they won't raise any question about the deck.

Because Bicycle is uncommon brand here and they're widely used by magicians performing on national TV or doing street magic. This gives the impression to the public that the cards might be special, even most of the time they're not.

Anyway, I hope Mandolin would truly replace Rider Bikes so then we can buy them at reasonable price and adequate numbers on stock.
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On 2010-06-28 01:07, Cameron Francis wrote:


...Also, in my opinion, they most likely will not be known as "magician" cards as the majority of lay people know next to nothing about playing cards. I know because I've been purposely asking a lot of lay people lately about cards and, trust me, they don't know brands. A lot of them didn't even know what the heck Bicycle cards were.


Agreed. Regular folks wouldn't notice or care what cards are used. People actually tend to think stripper or Svengali decks when we perform. Which is fun when they ask to see the deck and see if it's gaffed. Design means little to them.

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