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I found this thread a little late Smile
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On 2010-06-25 15:18, Pete Legend wrote:
I say this with all the respect in the world...It was clear as day what it was right from the very start.


I thought he'd have at least come up with a semi original peek..

He has SEO all over the net about his effect.

Seems like he's never heard of Intellectual Propert. You don't just buy a peek then resell it. To whoever said they bought it, does it say his name anywhere, like in a credits or support section?
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Just so you know, he has been leant on and word is that it will vanish in the next hour.

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On 2010-06-28 01:42, SeanTaylor wrote:
Just so you know, he has been leant on and word is that it will vanish in the next hour.

Sean Taylor


Care to share more details?

I would always have thought that it would vanish after a short period (or the price increased dramatically). This is how a lot of marketing works these days. Of course, it will be back at a similar price eventually. Probably after he has repeated the process with a few other of 'his' effects.
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On 2010-06-28 07:05, Davit Sicseek wrote:
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On 2010-06-28 01:42, SeanTaylor wrote:
Just so you know, he has been leant on and word is that it will vanish in the next hour.

Sean Taylor


Care to share more details?

I would always have thought that it would vanish after a short period (or the price increased dramatically). This is how a lot of marketing works these days. Of course, it will be back at a similar price eventually. Probably after he has repeated the process with a few other of 'his' effects.


Interesting point, probably why he had th count down, he knew he would be caught!
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Everyone is saying that they don't know who is selling this... I don't know about everyone else here, But the e-mail I got was from one Tim David.

I think its safe to say that he has SOMETHING to do with it. Don't you think?

Oh and the video and advert are still up. Someone needs to "Lean" a little harder I guess.
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If "Sold Out" is vanishing, then it has indeed vanished!
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I just checked and the site is still up and running a "special" through 7-4. Does anyone know if Millard has been alerted to this situation?
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I've had a search and I don't think Tim David is the man. Perhaps he is just promoting it as an affiliate?

Time for some naming and shaming.

This page indicates the a certain Michael Vinci is behind it:
http://www.aweber.com/archive/freemagict......ICE_.htm

Who is Michael Vinci? Maybe he is the marketing man who hired the mentalist to create the product? Maybe he is one of the below... Or someone else???? A real life spook.

As for the performer, meet Xavier:
http://www.brisbanebands.com.au/brisbane......ier.html

Is this his account here on the Café? (Xavier from Australia)
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/bb_pr......ser=7924

And his filming and video editing buddies Sean Mergard and Peter Nguyen:
http://www.peteymajik.com
http://www.seanmergard.com

http://vimeo.com/10969733 (An early trailer for the product hosted on Sean's Vimeo)
http://vimeo.com/5504072 (Sean being generally wack)

Watch out though. Don't lean on them too hard. They look like some tough guys.
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BTW: Although the product is says sold out at the regular address, all this affiliate traffic is going to this page:
http://therevelationtechnique.com/affiliate.html

I also notice that the professional magician that gives the product an endorsement under the name Wayne B bears a striking resembelence to australian 'celebrity' magician Christopher Wayne who just coincidentally has Sean Mergard has his number one MySpace friend:
http://www.myspace.com/chriswaynemagic

I see that to break Vimeo's TOS they bothered to create a new account to hold the trailer. Hopefully they did that from a different IP on a computer that has never been used to log in to Sean's main account. It would be a frightful shame if both accounts were deleted for TOS violations.
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On 2010-06-29 01:54, Davit Sicseek wrote:
I've had a search and I don't think Tim David is the man. Perhaps he is just promoting it as an affiliate?




I don't really care what Tim David's connection is with the thing. He's connected with it and that's enough. Tim David sent me the e-mail with the link to this saying that this method was "Gold". That means that Tim David knows exactly what it is. That makes him just as responsible as anyone else as far as I'm concerned. And I'm sure he didn't send out the e-mails pushing this product for nothing.
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OK. He should be punished (along with the other 100 or so affiliates.)

So Australian mentalists? What's the low-down on these little rascals?
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Yes. I'm sure hundreds of people are involved.

Whats the deal? You seem pleased as punch to implicate the people whom you searched for to find their names, But when it comes to implicating the only guy with his name on it and who is pushing the thing through e-mails you seem reluctant to say the least.

What gives?
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What gives?


I am Tim David. You caught me out.

Are you trying to be sarcastic in agreeing that hundreds of people are involved? I hope not. A brief glance for "The Revelation Technique" shows dozens of affiliates promoting the product and since it's sold though Clickbank, this is hardly surprising.

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Whats the deal? You seem pleased as punch to implicate the people whom you searched for to find their names, But when it comes to implicating the only guy with his name on it and who is pushing the thing through e-mails you seem reluctant to say the least.


What do you mean, the 'only' guy with his name on it?

I've given you the name of the mentalist, the guy who did the filming and the guy who edited it. Tim David is small fry, there is a chance I am wrong, but I bet he's just one of the many promoting it and you just happen to be unlucky enough to be on his email list. I highly doubt that it is anything more than Tim having an email list and thinking he can make a few $ by promoting an affiliate product.
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I mean its the only name that I see when I look at the e-mail pushing the thing. Let me say it in a way that is easily understood. If it was not for Tim David, I would not have even known about this product. It was his e-mail that prompted me to look at the ad and then subsequently search for it here. How many others did he send it to?

Yes, Hes making a few dollars promoting it. So are the ones who made it. I say that puts them all in pretty good company together. If its not a big deal for the guy "Promoting it" and making a few bucks, Whats the big deal at all? Why do searches and try to name names at all if your going to try and downplay those whom YOU think are small fry's?

The bottom line is that he's in on it just like anyone else. He threw his hat into the ring.
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I think that voldemort is davit's secret twin, which is the goodie - which is the baddie?
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On 2010-06-18 11:37, Caféinst wrote:
I just received an email advertising this: http://therevelationtechnique.com/

Anyone know anything about it?


I'm curious...

Only Caféinst did receive that e-mail?
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Nop, I received it and I only drink tea.
More seriously, Paolo, people can read your post are Caféinst, so how somedody don't be on the Café can read it and of course answer to you ? Smile
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I checked just moment ago and the message appears.

"This trick is no longer being sold."

As soon as anyone 'in the know' found out, the game was stopped. Let's put this down to an exuberant and slightly naive youth and move on.

I can't remember the last time a knock-off was stopped this quickly (or indeed stopped at all). Let's all be thankful for that.

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Voldermort - We don't seem to be getting very far. If you want to concentrate on chopping off the beasts tentacles fair enough. I'm more inclined to go for the head.

Sean, if you look at my post further up the page you'll see that the item is still for sale at this page:
http://therevelationtechnique.com/affiliate.html (which is where his affiliates are sending the traffic)

People need to understand that with most products sold through clickbank (of which this is one), most of the sales come from affiliates - not from organic search traffic. The fact that they have closed the front page of the sites is most likely having minimal effect on their sales since affiliate traffic is all directed to the page I linked above.

What's more, those marketers (like Tim David and the others) that are promoting the product can even say things like "The product has already been withdrawn from the market, but since I'm buddies with Xavier we've set up this secret link just for you....."
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