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Hence my point!
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So there is fear of being emulated? Don't any of the members already have their best work posted online somewhere already? I don't quite get this forum. If it's not for sharing, why is it active? I have posted a lot of free info on line. Go to http://www.hypnothoughts.com and read away to your heart's content. The posters here are not impressing me at all. Just because I have not posted a lot here indicates little.
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I have to say the rough spots do stick out the most. Lately, as in the past 5+ years, our show is bullet proof. No one moment really sticks out except the worst moments. As Danny said, they are few but boy do they stick out. That one guy. Boy what a mess he was. Or that loud mouthed woman that rattled on like my ex wife. Or that one crowd that must have all been on some kind of pain meds but they all stayed, watched and even gave a standing ovation. They were like a morgue what are they doing standing up? Must be drugs.

Not that I'm being stingy about anything but it is a pretty green question. Not a bad one. Just one that wouldn't come up at a cocktail party full of entertainers. Talking shop mostly consists of complaints about travel or weird crowds. I appreciate you trying to see the goodness and great moments. Really, I do. I have worked with some cool celebs but I don't drop names. I have done a few high profile 40,000 audience shows but most pros have. I'm sorry if I come off cynical.

Not long ago a production dancer come up to me right before my show and asked if I ever got nervous before going on stage. I laughed and replied "not since I was a kid." He told me he always does. I do air squats and skip around back stage just before the show to get my heart pumping and ready to go out. Other wise I would enter the stage feeling the same way I do right now. Ready for bed.

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Doc, there is a big difference between stage or performance hypnosis and hypnotherapy as far as their prospective communities. Hypnotherapy communities often bond, share and seem to take pride in their methods, accomplishments, and techniques by offering them to most who ask. They attend guild or conference meetings dying to share their methods, info and discoveries.

When it comes to performance hypnosis it is a much more guarded community and situation. It's performance - this contains material created or adapted by the artist in an attempt to be unique, different, and artistically separated from other hypnotic performers. Like a comedian with their stories or jokes, a composer with their melodies or chord progressions, or an artist with their unique works, it is this individualism that sets each apart. It is a continual and ongoing effort to be unique and creative when it comes to performance routines and material, trying to create new fresh bits and routines that are unique to you, or at least putting your own adaptation or spins on longtime standards. It is quite common (more so than most other forms of entertainment) for other stage hypnotists to steal your material. In the comedy world there is an understanding that is usually in place not to do this and to respect the artistic creations of other comics, if you don't you are quickly labeled a "hack" and your shots for success are greatly minimized. It's not like this for the hypnotic entertainer. It is a regular and ongoing occurance for others to not only take your own creations, but literally steal you entire act. No, I do not want to share my hardworked, timetested, worked and reworked over hundreds of performances material with anyone, especially a beginner with no respect for my efforts or the material that will take this material, perform it poorly while going out and undercutting my own performance fee.

Sorry if this seems harsh but this is the true reality, welcome to the big leagues. I have a full time staffer who one of their responsibilities is to check Youtube each day to make sure no performance footage of any of my shows becomes available. I have filed lawsuits, and gone to great extremes to prevent my footage from being made available publicly. I have spent countless hours coming up with the material that is in my performances and will not let newbies or anyone with access to current technology have access to this. The only way to see it is to be a paid customer to one of my performances, which is also difficult because most of the work I do is not geared to public performances. While many may post their clips online, do not assume that all do, especially their best material, as this is an incorrect assumption. Many pros only offer clips to prospective customers, and then only after being truly qualified.

I have performed thousands of shows professionally, I was trained by several of the all-time greats including Ormond McGill himself. This has been a long dedicated career of writing and performing material best suited for my specific markets, clients and audiences. I can not express the time, effort and expense that it has taken to accomplish this. It is the culmination of all my hard work and efforts. The bits, routines and ideas that shine the brightest are the most successful and the ones we are usually most proud of. These are the things we are most protective of, which is why many professionals may not be very forthcoming here. Just look at the vultures waiting for some of the goods.

Please understand I say this only to offer a real explanation and understanding of this perspective from some experienced stage hypnosis performers. Some will be more forthcoming, some package and sell this information (although I suspect still keep their best stuff for themselves), some do not mind offer some info or tidbits once they get to know you and your motives and objectives (not just you, but anyone asking these types of questions, which is often a newcomer). Stage hypnosis is very special, unique and appealing to those who may have never seen it before or have just discovered it. The natural reactions is to google this or search online for that and try to grab as much as they can without concern or respect for the industry, the working pros, or their hard work and efforts.

As you said you don't quite get this forum yet. Once you understand the workings and perspectives and how they perhaps may differ from the hypnotherapy perspectives you are used to, I am sure you will find more people and information forthcoming. Also be aware that too much hypnotherapy info and perspectives is often a put-off here as this is more of a performance-based forum.

Best of luck!
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On 2010-06-20 20:11, Doc Regal wrote:
So there is fear of being emulated? Don't any of the members already have their best work posted online somewhere already? I don't quite get this forum. If it's not for sharing, why is it active? I have posted a lot of free info on line. Go to http://www.hypnothoughts.com and read away to your heart's content. The posters here are not impressing me at all. Just because I have not posted a lot here indicates little.


Who said we were here to impress YOU again? Sorry to break it to you but it is not a main goal of my life. Posting here a lot indicates nothing. The content of the posts you have chosen to make does indicate a lot.

This is not some strange virtual measuring contest. You want to goad people into giving you what you want, then call names when they won't be manipulated by your childish ham handed attempts at this game you choose to play. If you are not impressed I simply suggest not stopping by any more. If we have not impressed you by now, my feeling is that this will not change in the near future.
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Regal, I think the best analogy is this: What you are asking is the same as asking a magician how his trick is performed.

I, too, am new here, but, not new to hypnosis. I would never dream of asking people on here for their most famous or most amazing skits or how to get yourself out of a particular mess. I have gotten good advice from guys like Ant, MP and Danny about how to come up with my own or take a common skit that almost everyone uses and put my own personal touch on it.

I have went back many pages and read older posts that involved these guys as well as many other great members that I will not name. Lots of great insight there. And I appreciate those things they are willing to share.

I personally would recommend just sitting back, play it cool and enjoy the ride. I don't have the stage experience these guys have, and I am assuming you may not either. To bump heads with these vast resources of information is very negative and undermining to your learning something new.

As a final note, to give an example. I just performed 2 stage shows with a combined attendance of 463 people for a private lodge. I kept 12 guests the first night and 10 the second night. MP stated in another thread, something along the lines of " the guests on stage are what makes a show ". He was right. I did the two shows with identical skits and jokes. Some skits, the guests responded the same, but, there were other skits where some people reacted differently. Neither night was any better or worse, but, some skits worked better with people from the first night than the second and vice-versa. -Shane
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Shane the real skill comes from milking skits and taking them as far as they can go. Learning how to give suggestions that get maximum response.

Its the responses that make a show. The more amplified animated and rediculous the funnier the show.

It also requires courage and to some degree talent to know when to shut up and create a void that will be filled by whatever comes up.
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Absolutely. I play a game with myself at the beginning of the induction. Often times I can tell who my superstar(s) are going to be within the first few seconds to minutes. Sometimes, I get the one person I would have never suspected..... just like tthis guy:

Saturday, I had someone doing some great stuff in a run of the mill skit. This gave me some ideas and allowed me to push it with him. You could't have wrote the material for what he was doing.... it was that far out into left field. The end result was that skit lasted an extra 5 minutes or so and the gag was taken to a whole new level off this one guy.
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Here is a tip for you that most hypnotists never learn. The show is not about you. It is about the friends and family of the audience as MP has suggested. So when you are doing the show get out from in front of them, keep your mouth shut and let them go.

Too many hypnotists are enthralled with the sound of their own voice that they spoil the action by standing in front of it telling stupid jokes.
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Wow, Mindpro...

That was a really good explanation of the situation.

Thanks, learnt a lot.

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Thanks for sharing your points of view. I am entering into new territory and am obviously receiving a different type of feedback than I originally anticipated. The cynical nature of stage hypnosis is indeed an eye opener.
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You still don't get it do you? Are you really that stupid? Maybe stage hypnosis isn't for you.
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Did you anticipate everyne to welcome you with open arms, tell you all their knowlege that took 20 years to accumulate, let you treat them like children and be happy for the chance?
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By the third post you had insulted someone, and deceided that you were not impressed by the posters here. Yet still you expected information even after that.

You asked a question that obviously shows a lack of knowlege both of performance in general and hypnosis spacifically. I really am not sure what it is you were expecting. Nobody is cynical, I for one simply think that you went about it totally the wrong way is all.

In a give and take, you have to be able to give something. You showed up with no intention other than taking. That is bad form.
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I am overwhelmed by your generosity and wealth of displayed wisdom. Perhaps one day this posting will make more sense to all who reread this thread. Good riddance for now. Cheers!
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On 2010-06-21 08:38, Dannydoyle wrote:
Here is a tip for you that most hypnotists never learn. The show is not about you. It is about the friends and family of the audience as MP has suggested. So when you are doing the show get out from in front of them, keep your mouth shut and let them go.

Too many hypnotists are enthralled with the sound of their own voice that they spoil the action by standing in front of it telling stupid jokes.


Best advice you can be given. My wife hates and criticizes my show. Her problem is that she is classically trained for stage/plays ( read: these people are trained to be the center of attention during their performance ). She thinks that since it is my name on the show, and I am the one on stage "controlling" the action I am the center of attention. While she has given me some invaluable pointers, she hasn't grasped that these people have friends and family in the audience that see THEM as the stars..... and they are 100% correct.-Shane
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>>>>she hasn't grasped that these people have friends and family in the audience that see THEM as the stars..... and they are 100% correct.-Shane <<<

I would say all of the audience not just friends and family.

I don't understand those hypnotists who say hypnosis doesn't exist when ordinary people respond in incredible ways which couldn't be faked by a professional actor.
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I think the same thing. If hypnosis does not exist, I must get a HUGE percentage of improv actors at my shows.
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LOL...if hypnosis did not exist then what would explain the hundreds of thousands of success stories using it therapeutically?
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Doc, you make a great point!

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