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Until you feel comfortable in your own skin out there it's much harder to gather a crowd. People can see that you're a rookie by just looking at you.

A way to solve this is to just get out there and do what you can. Endure until you're not a rookie anymore.

Find what works for you. Take some chances. Fail and suck until you don't fail and suck anymore.

As long as you've got a good repertoire of tricks at your disposal (or anywhere in your kitchen, for that matter) bring them and use them. They will help see you thru.
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Well crud, Frank. I was hoping for an easy way out... You mean I'll actually have to pay some dues?! Smile

I've been going out and doing a lot of the "Fail and suck" lately, and definitely getting used to it. Gaddy actually gave me some good advice the other day: "You have to, HAVE TO take your ego out of it." Submitting to the fact that I'm gonna look massively bad/uncool for a bit really helped.

Also, I think getting rid of my expectations has helped.

On a side note, I think I've caved on my "No table, No cups" rule. At least until I find something else to close with.

Thanks all!
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On 2010-06-28 10:14, ray raymond wrote:
Within any field. people pay for there education whether it be textbooks, tuition, paying a tutor, paying for lessons. If you are not willing to sacrifice something. (time, money, etc.) I wonder how much you really want to learn. People find a way when they have a real desire for what they want.


This was a really funny post! Have you read anything on this thread?

Here we have a guy who wants to make it. He goes out there, without a table, not doing cups and wants to learn. He fails, he gets up and tries again. What is that if not sacrifice? You've got to be kidding us!

All he did was using this forum to ask for some advice. I think it is about time that we start to treat people on this forum in a kinder way. People have been saying things like: "Read Kozmo, Gazzo, Moris, Cellini, Talksalot" as if that was some sort of holy bible. It is not! Sometimes it is great to say "read this" sometimes it is just plain stupid. I'm not saying that these books and DVD:s are no good - I like theses sources just like the other guy. What I am saying is that just because someone asks a questions doesn't make him a cheapscate. We should start to treat people with real world experience with some respect. If someone is out there workin', give him some cred!
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I did not intend any thing bad by that. I just simply meant the more you put into something the more you get out of something. A few years ago I was in his shoes doing the same thing. I am still a newbie to this compared with a lot of people. I understand what he is saying. If you want to laugh at me go ahead. However the experiences I have had can not be argued with. I also never called him a cheapskate. I have been poor before and will probably go through some tough times in my life to come. we have all been there.

Why do so many people on here automatically assume the worst of others?
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On 2010-06-28 10:14, ray raymond wrote:
I wonder how much you really want to learn. People find a way when they have a real desire for what they want.


This was the reason for my reaction. Perhaps I read more into it than you ment.
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No, the DVD´s and books aren´t the Bible. But they contain knowledge, many years of of hard-earned knowledge. From some top magician buskers. Of course Okamis could get the information in other ways: from talking to you or coming to the street festival in Stockholm in July - watching other buskers and speaking to them. And he knows that.

He could also learn by doing, which is fine. But I am sure he would be a better busker in a shorter time if he also learned from other peoples experiences - be it from a book, dvd or a person. Just like in any school or education. That´s what schools and teachers are for, aren´t they?

I can not see how pointing him to the sources I did could be plain stupid. And I have no idea how you made the connection from my advice to say he´s a cheapskate.

Hĺkan

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Hawkan: You are right. You did not say that, and as far as I can see you didn't mean that either. The above was not directed towards you, but I can see that it is a way to read my post. Sorry about that.

I am sure that you can become succesfull faster by reading. Hey, I am reading everything I can get my hands on. But I know that learning by doing it THE way to do it if you want to find your own way. I was thinking more about the on going discussion about clones.
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It´s O.K. Arkadia. Maybe we should start writing in Swedish instead...Smile There is always the risk of becoming a clone, but he has to learn from somewhere. It´s almost impossible not to be a clone at some degree, in the beginning. Hopefully it´s just a phase we all go (and must?) through. Every advice you take makes you in some small part a clone. Or? I don´t know anymore, gotta sleep..

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On 2010-06-28 14:20, Arkadia wrote:
What I am saying is that just because someone asks a questions doesn't make him a cheapscate. We should start to treat people with real world experience with some respect. If someone is out there workin', give him some cred!


It's also true, Arkadia (and this is not directed at you, Okamis), that there are those who come onto the Café and want to be spoon-fed ideas, routines and scripts without any personal effort. We all know them - "I've decided to hit the streets tomorrow...any suggestions on what I should do?" Again - this is not Okamis' situation.

I enjoy sharing and mentoring, but if we all give too freely we're undercutting those who wrote the books we learned from. I don't think Ray was being disrespectful. Fair questions deserve fair, respectful answers. As Hawkan pointed out, one of those answers is where to find the most useful resources.
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I will tell you guys my reasons again and than put in some arguments about sharing experience. This is only my opinion so don't take it to personally.

Im here to learn how to do a "side walk show", Im not asking you guys to give me a free worthless to pro lessons but something to bite on so I know I can go out there and perform a little at a beginner level. Im just asking for some advice on how to gather a crowd and I got many good tips and I thank you all for that.

Anyway why I don't want to buy a book is because Im a novice, I just want to try out to do a few shows, and if I enjoy it a lot I will BUY a book so I can evolve.

my opinion, a simile:
If I want to try to drive I car I wouldnt BUY a car to try it out and I believe no one else would. But I would on the other hand maybe borrow a car. Hope this make sense.

Also, this is a forum, a place where people discuss and share ideas and experience, I don't think we should hold back our knowledge if they are sincere

Last but not least I want to thank those people here posting those encouraging posts, it really gets my spirit back to where it should be and not on the floor.

So lets steer this topic back.
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I think the main point being made is that education costs. Something... It may not be money, it could be time or effort. Spending time on the streets is just as good, or even better, than spending money on books talking about the streets.

Don't quit now just because some feel you should buy this book or that DVD. You've already paid something toward your education by going out there and learning what doesn't work.
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I'd offer this formula; think of your show as a beginning, middle, and an end. In the beginning phase you're trying to get peoples attention. Pick something that is easy to see and maybe a bit odd. It should be 'big' in a manner of speaking - and I mean that in terms of visibilty and your manner. Let them know something amazing is about to happen. The beginning can be a stunt, a gag, or a trick, but whatever it is, you have to engage the audience and make them curious.

The middle is just about anything. Once you've engaged them, interact with them. Play. Let them have fun. Pick things that people will be amused as well as amazed. During the middle is the time that you want to promise them that if they stick around, they will witness something truly amazing. The show should always lead to the ending, and part of your job is to remind that the good stuff is right around the corner.

The ending is the payoff. This is the trick you want to be selling the whole show. So you HAVE to pick a closer. Most people pick cups and balls. I do too for most most of my shows, but if I've got an especially playful audience, I'll do what I call the 'box of doom.' it just depends. But you have to close strong and interactive.

Keep the shows tight. Transitions should flow seemlessly. Learn how to read the energy in the crowd. Engage people without being threatening - most just want to watch and not participate. Respect that.

Most important - learn from every show. The crowd will teach you. Listen to them.

Just keep trying. It will happen.

Just my opinion
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On 2010-06-28 18:19, Dave V wrote:
I think the main point being made is that education costs. Something... It may not be money, it could be time or effort. Spending time on the streets is just as good, or even better, than spending money on books talking about the streets.

Don't quit now just because some feel you should buy this book or that DVD. You've already paid something toward your education by going out there and learning what doesn't work.


OMFG, where did I write quit? you think Im a "*@!'?!$. You really think someone as cool as me will quit ^^. Nah sorry man, magic already flows in my veins.

Also to Pizpor, It reminds me a bit of what Hawkan pm:ed me. Im so going to try it out, but as beginning, should I do something that can be repeated like vanishing a silk and reproduce it multiplied with 10 times or something big like a torn and restored newspaper or rope magic?
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I'd say - Keep it simple.

One of the thing I'll do is this weird levitating apple thing that only lasts about 5 seconds. But that's after about 5 or so minutes of build up. It gets a hugh laugh, creates focus, and helps establish the nature of the show.

If you think T&R will work, just try it. Experiment with stuff (I think it's probably going to prove to be more stuff than you want to haul around).

Vanishing silk is easy, and if done well, a true mystery. But sadly, I think it's done poorly more often than not. You should be able to do it in such a way that people may make comments such as, they've seen it done with a fake thumb, but they have no idea how you just did it.

Again, just me opinion.
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Who ever said this was going to be easy.....get as much info as you can to speed up your curve and go to work.....the hardest thing to do after you fail is to go out and do it again the next day.....PERIOD....go to work....theres no silver bullet

GO TO WORK!
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Resources re important, I also believe experience is one of the best teachers. So good for Okamis for going out and getting some.
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Hey, props to you, Okamis, for going out WITHOUT having read the books. In my mind, that probably leads to a much more organic learning process, and a deeper appreciation for your knowledge.

I, on the other hand, would not have the guts to do it without having read at least a few books on it. I've been "Preparing" for about three months (Buying another book is always an excuse to put off going out and actually DOING SOMETHING for me). I can't honestly say it went much better because of the preparation. Reading can impart knowledge, but it does seem to take getting out there and doing it to actually make sense of said knowledge. Also, actually going out has lit up a fire to be better: my practice sessions and study time are much more productive because of it.

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Who said I have not read anything? I have spent my time reading this forum which is really full of information ^^ Smile But even though I read and thought I was prepared, it was quite weird, every bit of knowledge you helps to build this mental wall inside your head that will fool you to believe your show will be succesful. But than you go out and you know its important to "Gather, Keep and get paid" and you are thinking like, its maybe a litttle intimidating to do some hatlines and get paid but you actually fail to Gather a crowd, you didn't even get to second or third base.

Congratulations for you for going out I must say.
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I think Pizpor's formula is great advice!


Here's mine:
Okamis, maybe you know your stuff and maybe you are prepared, but for some reason people just didn't give a sh*t about watching something cool that day. Maybe none of that had anything to do with you. The world was just rotating a little off that day. Don't let it mess with your mind!
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