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Dannydoyle
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Wow hang on guys.

First off Gaddy you just did to me what you accuse Santa of doing to you.

Second of all what is the nonsense of tellimg me cops are NOT questioned? Are you serious? It has gotten nothing but steadily WORSE for the guys on the job since OJ and you full well know it. EVERY action that they take which they have 1/2 of a second to make a decision is then poured over for years by those who have a "question authority" approach. Don't tell me those guys are not looked at because it is either ignorant or a lie plain and simple.

These people MUST be there! They are the ones you complain are not there when your house is broken into or someone you know is killed. People bemoan them not being arround when THEY need them! How pathetic.

"Private security" I will never speak of as I have never been involved in the practice. But when you start with this nonsense about cops, well it is sad to watch.
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These guys have been questioned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keSxhAsrOlI
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No wonder the protesters are so wild in Canada, they seem to be pretty anti authority and police in general there.
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Why do I have Ballad of a Thin Man running through my head . . .

Oh I wish I could be as pithy as Tommy has been throughout this thread.
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You are plenty pithy mi amigo!
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I hate when people judge police actions on a video shot from an onlooker that is only showing one side of the altercation.

1. Why was the person being arrested?
2. Do you know, I mean really know, the laws of the state, provence or country?
3. Do you know police procedure especially regarding the Force Continuum?

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Live blog (major local newspaper) from the G20 protests:

http://thestar.blogs.com/g20/

Excerpt:

9 p.m. Queen St. W. and Spadina Ave.

A detainee in his early 20s said he was simply crossing the intersection of Queen St. W. and Spadina Ave. to see some friends when he was detained by riot police. The young man, who said he's on a month-long vacation in Canada from Ireland, said he wasn't protesting or demonstrating.

"Wrong place, wrong time," he said with a thick Irish accent as he stood handcuffed and shivering in the pouring rain, waiting to be processed by police. "Great vacation."
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Just cuz he said it doesn't make it true....
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So maybe folks are starting to look at wikileaks.org too?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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What is that mi amigo Jon?

Over 600 completely innocent people arrested by those jack booted thugs, aka The Filth.
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From that video something happened, the police all charged at the same time, so a central order had to be given. I would imagine that at some point a command to disperse had been given which is probably why those people sat down.

In the U.S., disobeying a command by a police officer is considered resisting thus prompting use of force.

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On 2010-06-27 18:41, Dannydoyle wrote:
Wow hang on guys.

First off Gaddy you just did to me what you accuse Santa of doing to you.

Second of all what is the nonsense of tellimg me cops are NOT questioned? Are you serious? It has gotten nothing but steadily WORSE for the guys on the job since OJ and you full well know it. EVERY action that they take which they have 1/2 of a second to make a decision is then poured over for years by those who have a "question authority" approach. Don't tell me those guys are not looked at because it is either ignorant or a lie plain and simple.

These people MUST be there! They are the ones you complain are not there when your house is broken into or someone you know is killed. People bemoan them not being arround when THEY need them! How pathetic.

"Private security" I will never speak of as I have never been involved in the practice. But when you start with this nonsense about cops, well it is sad to watch.

I don't think I did, but if I offended you then I apologize. We are at such drastic odds on this entire arena of discussion that further discussion would have to get more involved than I care to do so. I am not talking about questioning the police, I'm talking about questioning the entire hierarchy of authority from the "G20" down to their truncheon carrying goons -and what they represent.

I'm talking about global capitalism, not the actions of any particular cops or their enemies.
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Whatever they are protesting - they're not protesting very effectively. I am a news addict - read the paper every day, check various news websites and watch the evening news if not some of the news channel - and I've not once seen a reference to what they are protesting - I in fact don't have a clue what they are protesting - and whatever it is I tend to lose interest in a cause once I see this behaviour.

I'm too lazy to look up exactly who makes up the G20 but the leaders I've seen are from properly functioning democracies - voting at home would probably be a more effective way of changing policy than burning Canadian police cars.
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Obviously they are there, protesting the Agent Provocateurs who are causing this violence.

:)
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On 2010-06-28 04:21, Destiny wrote:
Whatever they are protesting - they're not protesting very effectively. I am a news addict - read the paper every day, check various news websites and watch the evening news if not some of the news channel - and I've not once seen a reference to what they are protesting - I in fact don't have a clue what they are protesting - and whatever it is I tend to lose interest in a cause once I see this behaviour.

I'm too lazy to look up exactly who makes up the G20 but the leaders I've seen are from properly functioning democracies - voting at home would probably be a more effective way of changing policy than burning Canadian police cars.


This is half the problem. Protest used to be just about getting noticed so others would notice a wrong, so others would see an injustice and get involved and you could change the world with protest. Not so much any more.
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The most effective protest I ever saw was the hippies putting flowers in the rifles of the National Guardsmen during the Vietnam War - an image which perfectly illustrated the message they were trying to get across.
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Protests have changed the world, now they have become big business. I can not imagine a more sad transformation.
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Support the Resistance of The New World Order

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On 2010-06-27 21:58, MagicSanta wrote:
Just cuz he said it doesn't make it true....

Sure, but the police today are saying the same thing. Namely, that they rounded up and detained a large number of innocent bystanders. I'm not criticizing what they did, just making the point that a large number of innocent bystanders were detained and / or arrested.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/......ina?bn=1

Police are defending their decision to detain hundreds of people — including both protesters and unlucky bystanders — for hours during a heavy rainstorm at a downtown intersection last night.

The decision to box people into the Queen St. and Spadina Ave. intersection Sunday evening was made after police saw protesters believed to be part of the so-called Black Bloc, police said.

“We're not suggesting we’re perfect,” Toronto Police Staff Superintendent Jeff McGuire said after most of the crowd was released unconditionally around 9:40 p.m. “That was the decision we made at that time. Sometimes, it doesn’t work out perfectly.”
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Gaddy wrote:
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I'm talking about questioning the entire hierarchy of authority from the "G20" down to their truncheon carrying goons -and what they represent.

I'm talking about global capitalism, not the actions of any particular cops or their enemies.

Exactly, the rest is gossip and distraction.

Jon,
I've been following wikileaks for a long time now. Have you read any of Glenn Greenwald's stuff on the Manning/Lamo/WIRED affair? It deserves a thread of its own, though perhaps not on the Café.
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