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Picked up a copy of this 2-dvd set from my favorite magic dealer, Joe Pon at Misdirections Magic. Now I need to find the time to watch it. I will report back after I view it!
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"Slit" is very very powerful...the girl who Docc did this for looked genuinely disturbed yet amazed

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Watched the first disc of this two disc set and I am impressed. The material is stuff I've seen Docc do and teach at his lectures over the years however there is so much more detail in both presentation and explanation. The gem of the first disc is the interviews at the end of the disc where Docc talks about mentalism and performance. Well worth the price and that's just with only considering the first disc. I still need to view the second disc.
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I love the effect Styx. Great DVD set.
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I own a lot of Docc Hilford’s material, manuscripts, videos (tapes and DVDs), effects, utility items… I really like the way he thinks, his simplification of methodology and his story-telling like presentations make me smile. Up until recently, if asked which of his products was my favorite, I would have said that it was Real Mindreading (a video tape put out by Brian Flora). Much of the material from the tape was reconstructed on the Monster Mentalism series of DVDs, but the old tape still stands out for me.

Last week, The Vault arrived. This was a set that I was anxiously waiting for. I recognized 3 of the routines as pieces that I had read, but I had not seen them performed. The main one I wanted to see was the Ball and Tube.

I’ve had the manuscript for the Ball and Tube since it came out. There were a lot of discussions of the routine back then. I read through it a few times, but never worked on it. Sometimes we cannot visualize how someone else’s work looks just from reading about it. Now I had the chance to actually see it performed. What I saw not only made me grin, ear to ear, but blew me away because of the thought process that went into it.

In addition to the Ball and Tube, Docc utilized a key. I won’t say much about the key (as it has to be seen), except that Docc gives the best instruction on this method that I have ever come across. (Note: outside of Docc, I’ve only seen one other performer use this version. Back in the 90’s I saw Bill Wisch blow away a room full of magicians with this, including me, and I knew the method.)

A few pieces of paper, something to write with, and a pendulum, and act, or a one act show. I’d read Docc’s handling of this in one of his manuscripts. I also read Dr. Jak’s version many years ago and have my own (I posted a version here at the Café last year). I love pendulum routines, especially those where it is handled by others, and Docc’s work is a master class on this type of work. The performance was fantastic, and expanded from what he had published before. The explanation was even better than the performance.

The Nostrum Booktest is Docc’s work on the torn paper magazine/newspaper test. I first read his basic work on this in his Newspaper manuscript and gave myself one of those V-8 slaps to the head, then migrated to his methodology. This was the third routine on the DVD set that I felt I had to see. Once again, seeing Docc work this, and all the moments he gets from it, and the way he builds it to involve the entire audience is amazing. It is a fantastic routine with multiple moments, and it plays as large as you want it to play. Not bad for a borrowed paperback book and something to write on.

Styx is a fantastic routine where the performer demonstrates, and attempt to teach the ability to do near instant math. It is a well constructed presentation and premise that grows in difficulty and complexity as the routine goes on, and has an ending (difficult for these types of routines). Although the routine does not fit me, I learned some things I did not know about the items used (and I’ve been using them for several decades).

The Time Machine, I’d never heard of this routine of Docc’s. I know Larry Becker’s routine of the same name, so I was not sure if this would fit me. Then I watched the performance. WOW! The story is so finely crafted, and there is so much amazement and entertainment for little to no work.

The final piece, Slit, is Docc being Docc. From the discussions in the interview section, we learn that this was performed two different ways, the theatrical way that is on the DVD, and as a straight demonstration that ended up having too much impact and the spectator had to be reassured several times… As for the performance version, I don’t know what to say! This has everything but the kitchen sink, and it played very strong, so strong that one would think it was staged, but it wasn’t.

As I said, this is my favorite collection of Docc’s work, and it dawns on me now why. Not just the strong material, but this set (like Real Mindreading) fits me and the venues I play. It is presented in an intimate setting, this is not to say that it won’t play on stage, it will. But the way it was presented here is intimate and for the most part, the focus is on the guests, and there is a bit of a jazz elelement that makes it fun and exciting to perform..

I cannot speak for anyone else, but for me, this is ideal and killer material.

Tony Iacoviello
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Thank-you for the informative review Tony.

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Great review. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who had the ball and tube book, read it and had to see it. Actually the ball and tube and pendulum effects are the real reasons I bought this. So far I've watched ball &tube, styx and pendule and I feel that I have gotten far more than my money's worth, this all amazing stuff.

Also, not that I know Docc, my feeling is that the setting really demonstrates how good he is. The L&L set was amazing, but I feel like Docc's personality shines through here.
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What´s the presentational frame for the Ball and Tube?
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Ball and Tube much more detailed and really covers patter and psychology presented along with the additional haunted key.
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This is a great collection of DVDs but I can't say I really like it more than the Monster mentalism series. They both have their strengths and when talking about Docc, that is super strength!

I may have a reason to be biased Smile but I prefer the pedulum routine from the Monster set, Dead or Alive, which Docc was kind enough allow me to describe in detail in Trybil. Pendula is also very good so don't get me wrong.

Seeing The Balll And Tube actually done, espeically with the added touches was a joy to watch. You can see how much Docc treasures this performance and how that translates to its impact on the audience.

I've always liked Time Machine and this a paricularly fine and detailed handling. Docc is doing some incredible effects with props you wouldn't ordinarily think to apply to metalism.

And I agree that the interviews are excellent. I love to listen to Docc share his thoughts and beliefs on what makes for great mentalism. He doesn't pull punches and I think both the Monster set and The Vault should be in all mentalists' libraries.
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On 2010-06-30 20:10, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
I own a lot of Docc Hilford’s material, manuscripts, videos (tapes and DVDs), effects, utility items… I really like the way he thinks, his simplification of methodology and his story-telling like presentations make me smile. Up until recently, if asked which of his products was my favorite, I would have said that it was Real Mindreading (a video tape put out by Brian Flora). Much of the material from the tape was reconstructed on the Monster Mentalism series of DVDs, but the old tape still stands out for me.

Last week, The Vault arrived. This was a set that I was anxiously waiting for. I recognized 3 of the routines as pieces that I had read, but I had not seen them performed. The main one I wanted to see was the Ball and Tube.

I’ve had the manuscript for the Ball and Tube since it came out. There were a lot of discussions of the routine back then. I read through it a few times, but never worked on it. Sometimes we cannot visualize how someone else’s work looks just from reading about it. Now I had the chance to actually see it performed. What I saw not only made me grin, ear to ear, but blew me away because of the thought process that went into it.

In addition to the Ball and Tube, Docc utilized a key. I won’t say much about the key (as it has to be seen), except that Docc gives the best instruction on this method that I have ever come across. (Note: outside of Docc, I’ve only seen one other performer use this version. Back in the 90’s I saw Bill Wisch blow away a room full of magicians with this, including me, and I knew the method.)

A few pieces of paper, something to write with, and a pendulum, and act, or a one act show. I’d read Docc’s handling of this in one of his manuscripts. I also read Dr. Jak’s version many years ago and have my own (I posted a version here at the Café last year). I love pendulum routines, especially those where it is handled by others, and Docc’s work is a master class on this type of work. The performance was fantastic, and expanded from what he had published before. The explanation was even better than the performance.

The Nostrum Booktest is Docc’s work on the torn paper magazine/newspaper test. I first read his basic work on this in his Newspaper manuscript and gave myself one of those V-8 slaps to the head, then migrated to his methodology. This was the third routine on the DVD set that I felt I had to see. Once again, seeing Docc work this, and all the moments he gets from it, and the way he builds it to involve the entire audience is amazing. It is a fantastic routine with multiple moments, and it plays as large as you want it to play. Not bad for a borrowed paperback book and something to write on.

Styx is a fantastic routine where the performer demonstrates, and attempt to teach the ability to do near instant math. It is a well constructed presentation and premise that grows in difficulty and complexity as the routine goes on, and has an ending (difficult for these types of routines). Although the routine does not fit me, I learned some things I did not know about the items used (and I’ve been using them for several decades).

The Time Machine, I’d never heard of this routine of Docc’s. I know Larry Becker’s routine of the same name, so I was not sure if this would fit me. Then I watched the performance. WOW! The story is so finely crafted, and there is so much amazement and entertainment for little to no work.

The final piece, Slit, is Docc being Docc. From the discussions in the interview section, we learn that this was performed two different ways, the theatrical way that is on the DVD, and as a straight demonstration that ended up having too much impact and the spectator had to be reassured several times… As for the performance version, I don’t know what to say! This has everything but the kitchen sink, and it played very strong, so strong that one would think it was staged, but it wasn’t.

As I said, this is my favorite collection of Docc’s work, and it dawns on me now why. Not just the strong material, but this set (like Real Mindreading) fits me and the venues I play. It is presented in an intimate setting, this is not to say that it won’t play on stage, it will. But the way it was presented here is intimate and for the most part, the focus is on the guests, and there is a bit of a jazz elelement that makes it fun and exciting to perform..

I cannot speak for anyone else, but for me, this is ideal and killer material.

Tony Iacoviello


Tony, thanks for yoru professional take on The Vault. It's wonderfful when a real Pro takes the time to do a review.

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I finished it. It is SO good.
On reflection I do like the pendulum routine in monster mentalism better also, but I like the atmosphere better in the vault.
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Thank you for the reviews gentlemen. I'm looking forward to getting my copy from the man himself off his website. http://www.docchilfordproducts.com

Can't wait to see guys.
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Many thanks for the review! I am excited about obtaining my copy!
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Does anybody now where to buy the styx sticks??
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Thanks for the review, always appreciated.
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On 2010-07-05 11:24, brehan wrote:
Does anybody now where to buy the styx sticks??


That's a good question. I have seen them in the past but can't remember the trade name. Checked the usual sites but haven't run across them yet. I like the aluminum ones Docc uses on the DVD; those or similar ones would be nice. Failing that I will no doubt make my own.
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Google 'buy mental logs' I found a few places selling the aluminium ones!
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Be careful. I ordered several sets from eTrickShop weeks ago, they have not arrived nor have I heard anything back from them on my order since the original invoice.

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Daytona Magic has them listed, will try them. Tony, thanks for the heads up on the other place.
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