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RSD
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I love how the producers on AGT exposed the Dancing Hank on this weeks show. The magi wasnt the best but they didn't have to zoom in on the gimmick. Tasteless.

Sean Bogunia should file a lawsuit.
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On 2010-06-30 18:06, RSD wrote:

Sean Bogunia should file a lawsuit.


For what exactly? Was some law broken or something? Since when is it AGT's job to keep secrets? If the guy had keep the gimmick hidden then it would not have happened. I don't want to be hard on the guy. I know that nerves can sometimes get to the best of us sometimes.
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Yeah Sean's Ultimate Dancing Hank does take some practice to do correctly not easy. It is well worth it when it is done correctly as demonstrated by Sean.
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Ok, So the guy screwed up in the performance. Let me give you a hypothetical.

AGT decideds that is is great publicity to show the misfortunate performance which exposes the method in all there promo stuff. Does Sean ( in this case) a right to file a suit for unwarranted exposure and loss of income. Probably not.

One thing I did is my directions for my props now go out with a disclaimer and in some cases and actual release form, saying this prop is sold only for performance rights. The purchaser does not have the right to reproduce the effect or expose the methodolgy. Now in this case, AGT makes you sign a blanket release before performing. Basically, they can do whatever they want with the footage. But is they start exposing the method on promos and such due to a poor performance, you have some recourse. Granted, it would be a bunch of money to fight them but it is an option.

The best option I feel is the one I have chosen. I know my customers. I will not sell a prop to a performer who cannot handle the prop nor has other motives. I had a foreign manufacturer in a country we are prohibited doing business with, try to buy several of my props for his "collection". Since he has already copied my protected exclusive flower design and a couple of my effects, I refused to sell to him.

Everyone has a bad day but no company should exploit the misfortunes of the performance as good be done. When Harry Blackstone had a bad Orange Bowl performance, it was not run over and over again. If it had, I am sure that Harry would have litigated.

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I knew this would show up eventually on the Café, first the Spellbinder is a nice enough guy. I think he was a bit nervous .. and it showed. We're only human of course.

As far as exposure .. it could have been a lot worse. We all know what to look for and that's why it stands out. Let's say he went into the second part of the routine .. you know, with the Don Wayne gimmick. In HD-TV it's pretty hard to hide some stuff.

I know Sean wanted to hang himself after seeing the segment on TV, but .. I'm sure he'll be fine. A flawless performance would of course move some units out the door. Sean is a good guy and we should all support him and his products. He's done some custom work for me and I think very highly of his knowledge and craftsmanship.

Even if Sean didn't sell to just anyone, there is always the second hand market. So, that's not going to stop anything from getting into the hands of amateurs.

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I wouldnt really call it an Expose, Not like they zoomed in and started a walk thru on the details like the Masked magician. Only us Café folks knew what we were looking at. I thought the same thing at first when I seen them zoom in from backstage, but once I seen there was no close-up and then they moved on I think all was ok as far as exposure. His outfit sure was sharp. Just didn't have his groove on at the moment..Nerves?????? He sure seemed confident at the time.
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I don't think many people caught what happened when it aired. It's all the little sh*ts on youtube that make the comments after watching it 15 times.
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On 2010-07-01 12:03, w_s_anderson wrote:
I don't think many people caught what happened when it aired. It's all the little sh*ts on youtube that make the comments after watching it 15 times.


Yeh, he's right on that. Youtube kills magic because you can watch and watch and watch, and then google Smile
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On 2010-07-01 12:03, w_s_anderson wrote:
I don't think many people caught what happened when it aired. It's all the little sh*ts on youtube that make the comments after watching it 15 times.


Obviously, not botching the job is the best prevention, but not 100% reliable. Of course we could opt for only live performances of material that would potentially fall victim to repeated viewing on video. But, it's pretty hard to stop someone at a public show from grabbing it all on a camera phone. After all, someone even got Saddam's hanging.

But Will, maybe you could threaten them with miltary intervention if caught with a camera phone at your shows! Just park a big tank next to the stage! Ha-ha! Smile
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I actually used that line when performing overseas as to why I had my sidearm. 2 reasons: 1 for hecklers, and 2 for those who think it's ok to take pictures after your told not to. That was just for a joke though. I have never minded it if people took pictures.
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On 2010-07-01 12:43, w_s_anderson wrote:
I actually used that line when performing overseas as to why I had my sidearm. 2 reasons: 1 for hecklers, and 2 for those who think it's ok to take pictures after your told not to. That was just for a joke though. I have never minded it if people took pictures.


It's a natural! I saw magician/comedian Doug Doane use a similar line years ago, when he came out with a Super Soaker. "I'd like to explain the rules of my show..."

I have never minded people taking pictures or video, but my thinking comes from a time when the main concern was having the photos or video used commercially. I always figured it was just another form of guerilla marketing to have your image and name spread around a bit. However, I am beginning to doubt the value of that vs the damage potential common today. Hard to stop a speeding train, though.
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In my opinion the performance should be professional so it does not hurt the dealer/creator of the trick. The amatuer will kill the creators every time with a performance like this that does expose the gimmick. It is not about the layman's perspective here. They are not going to buy the dancing hank. It is the magicians that are. If I was thinking about buying this trick I would not as I know the workings and now everyone else does too. If you are going to go on national tv and perform magic, help the rest of us by not jacking it up like this dancing hank act.
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Can someone link the performance?
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Got one for sale if anyone is interested Smile
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O.K., I have a related question. I often hear that when you purchase an effect, you acquire the performance rights along with it. But, does this extend to broadcast rights? I've always understood the two to be different. Could someone please clairfy this for me? Thanks.

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Bill Hegbli
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I believe it goes the other way round. If you purchase an effect then you can perform it anywhere you want including television.

I did purchase a couple of tricks in the past that had the conditions of purchase, that I could not perform it on television. Anyplace else was okay.
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Who sets those conditions? I got an email from someone saying I wasn't allowed to perform the Origami on T.V. because someone else had the exclusive television rights. I told them to get bent, and that it has been performed on T.V. by the Shryock's and D.C. to name a few. Can someone legally say you can peform this trick, just not on T.V.?
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Justed wanted to say that "Spellbinder Entertaiment" (me) has nothing to do with "The Spellbinder" (him) although we both started in Chicago.

BTW, I was using "Spellbinder Magic" and "Spellbinder Enterainment" since before 1982.

Feel sort of sorry for the poor guy, I've heard he's generally an interesting performer.

Magically,
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Who sets the conditions, well in my case, the person who allowed dealer/manufacturer make, market, and sell the tricks. There was no contract, but the advertising stated no television rights. This was years ago in the 1970's and 1980's. I probably can not as all the parties are most likely no longer with us. Just wanted to note that it had been done in the past, a different time in our culture.
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