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Whoo! Didn't mean to offend, just curious about what struck me as a very strange, or at least a very different, choice of lengths. Of course you can pick length for any two of the three ropes, and then calculate the third --- or lay the two out on a table and and cut the third. You want to be sure that the three are all noticeably different lengths, but other than that there is endless variety in the choice of lengths. Your "middle rope as long as your forearm" suggestion just struck me as very short for stage work, but just about right if you follow up with changing the threes ropes to two, or maybe some move I'm not familiar with. Since it's a new "rule" to me, I was just wondering about the reasons for it.

Happy 4th!

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What I said was that the measurment between the tips of your fingers and your elbow should be a bit smaller that the length of the middle length of rope. For example my middle piece of rope is 27" long which in a bit longer than the elbow measurement. My fingers to my elbow is 19 1/2", which makes the middle length of rope in my set 25% longer than my finger to elbow measurement. As I said before the length is a matter of taste. I was only giving the poor guy a ball park figure to get him started.
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I can see their Bob Carver and Hen Fetsch, Laughing their A** off, reading this.
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Either that or bored to death by rope pedants!
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Helping you has been a giant disappointment. I was kinda hoping for a thank you, instead of an insult.

I guess that no good deed will go unpunished
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On 2010-07-07 08:46, Al Angello wrote:
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Helping you has been a giant disappointment. I was kinda hoping for a thank you, instead of an insult.

I guess that no good deed will go unpunished

Hey Al, I have posted so many suggestions only to be completely ignored. If you are looking for thanks, you will only get it from an audience. Here, for some reason, the seekers seem to think that the answer is coming to them.
The cool thing about this thread, most answers, including the the cryptic ones are accurate. The cloudy answers were skirting the truth. It was fun.
If my answer didn't suffice, then the question was never valid.
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Hey Al and Magicians
Thank you for your time, energy, expertise, explanations, advice, wit, humour and knowlege. I came seeking only measurements and I got all this for free. I had no intention to insult anyone I was riffing on the previous joke but I think you misinterpreted it. It was an ironic statement.
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On 2010-07-07 14:31, bertoneski wrote:
Hey Al and Magicians
Thank you for your time, energy, expertise, explanations, advice, wit, humour and knowlege. I came seeking only measurements and I got all this for free. I had no intention to insult anyone I was riffing on the previous joke but I think you misinterpreted it. It was an ironic statement.

If you have a reference or spinoff comment about a post, press "quote" and we will all know your "riffing reference".
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I think Daryl is giving indications in his explanation of his Rope Routine on how to cut the right length of rope depending on your arm, hand and finger sizes.

Oliver.
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Richard Sanders tells you how to calculate the lengths of the rope in fiber optics. I was going to quote Richard, but I'm sure that Murf will disagree with him too.
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The trick is sold for as little as $2, and on youtube it is revealed along with measurements. Of course, who knows what miracles can be performed once you get the right lengths.
I can stretch the ropes into 7 minutes myself.
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Hey, ease up Al!!! I simply asked for the source of your notion of "perfection", and suggested that there are several suggested "standards" floating around. Calm down a bit.

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This all began with a question from a ' ropeworker',
who by his own admission was to cheap to buy a PN set from a dealer.
That should have been a red flag from the get go.
He got sound answers from several here, but complained of snide remarks.

Often snide remarks are deserved when you try to get something for nothing.

Spend your cash the same way the rest of us have over the years.

Now it may be time for us to move on to something else.

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Kotah,
Thank you for that articulate answer!
This is what I have been complaining about throughout this forum. Many here are to nice and naive and basically enable a lot of the hacks who ask questions that they should have researched themselves i.e. what is professor's nightmare? Really! What is a flipper? OMG! Would it kill these people to visit a magic shop or call one, of effing google it at least! I guess it is easier to spoon feed here that expect some amount of integrity and all that ideal crap of people.
Yea, drink the kool aid and just spew out the secrets for people who have less than 5 posts all for just the asking. I guess I was stupid for working my *** off in reading and researching and studying. And most of the time when information is given out just for the asking they couldn't even reply back with a thank you. So not only opportunistic a holes but ungrateful - a quality that unfortunately is very profound in our current society, It's all about them! Sorry for the rant - outta here.
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I don't live near a magic shop and would imagine ringing one up to open the packet might be considered a bit cheeky / cheap / hackish. I own many books on magic but none specified the length. I have three DVDs that feature the routine totalling the equivalent of over 70 USD. One of the DVDs has Micheal Finney performing the P's N but none had the lengths. That all I asked for - the lengths - in CM or imperial or the ratios. And that's what I got from another forum.
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I have learned a valuable lesson here. When these questions come up in the future the only answers that I will give will be to refer to a books. This will take care of those who ask the questions, and those who offer no answer other than to disagree with my answers. Some lessons are best learned the hard way.
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So have I
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You know, it used to be...when the trick is sold the secret is told. When the Invisible deck first came out, I believe there was only one magic shop in the country who actually had the deck and the secret. The effect was being performed by a select few, but it was not common knowledge. Buyers searched all over the country and a lucky few found a shop (and there were few) like Max Holden's who dealt with the decks from Berling Hull and others.
A stripper deck was a gamblers secret and shops actually bought the Professors nightmare rather than make it themselves
Now, it's "I have rope, show me". Now even when Bertoneski gets the right lengths, he won't be able to do the effect. So we will be barraged by the next inevitable questions.
Of course, we all do the effect differently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slGS-qUo8Jg
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I have no intention of asking how. I know the how from the three DVDs I own.
I am sure you'll add - yes but you don't know x,y and z and so on....
Yes in the old days there were only magic shops where the secret was only for sale. But now there are forums on the internet where people can moan about how good it was in the good old days before the internet.
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On 2010-07-08 09:41, bertoneski wrote:
I have no intention of asking how. I know the how from the three DVDs I own.
I am sure you'll add - yes but you don't know x,y and z and so on....
Yes in the old days there were only magic shops where the secret was only for sale. But now there are forums on the internet where people can moan about how good it was in the good old days before the internet.

Yes, for us cheap guys, the Internet has unlocked more secrets of magic to the merely curious as well as the poor struggling artist. It has also unleashed thousands of "nightmares", and, for some reason people are compelled to reveal the secret on youtube.
Now, when you do your magic show for 300 cub scouts, you may get booed or shown-up by the next assistant you choose.
The first "exposure" was the Magic kit, and "Boy's Life" and "mechanics illustrated" magazine where you could send to Johnson Smith catalog and get the illusion secrets of Houdini.
You are not the villain, there are more complex magic effects that are "picked off the Café". The problem is, you bought 3 bad DVD's, if they forgot to give you the basic dimensions, but more-so is the case, that you didn't progress to the level of the DVD which assumed that you had the effect before you bought additional material for the routine.
The right people to ask would be the dealer who sold you the DVD's and/or the author of the DVD do didn't do his job.
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