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Jay Jennings
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...do you see anything in the decision of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that is good for buskers?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/07/08/los......l?hpt=C2

Maybe I read too much into it, but anytime someone says you can't ask for money it doesn't sound like a good thing for street performing.

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I don't think it's the same thing. My guess is that this sort of falls in that quasi public space / private property domain like how you can't busk inside your local mall.

Plus, I wouldn't bother trying to busk at an airport anyways. But I have been tempted once or twice when a zillion people are stranded out there for a day or two with nothing to do. With permission of course.
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Two things:
They mention groups, not individuals, and...

"and they can still seek financial support as long as they do not request the "immediate exchange of funds," the airport said."

I wouldn't consider a 20 minute magic show an "immediate exchange of funds" the way it would be if someone just approached you asking for spare change.
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News reports often get the details wrong. In fact, if you read the actual ruling:

http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?......00707105

You'll see it applies to "any person", not just groups.

Also, hatting during a magic show may well qualify as "soliciting and immediately receiving funds", even if the show lasts 20 minutes (or however long). It would really be up to the courts to decide, assuming you dare to challenge the law in court. If you do, bear in mind that this particular case took 13 years to make it through the courts. So be prepared for a long battle.
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A 20 minute magic show isn't an "immediate exchange of funds", but hatting the audience is.
But, this ordinance only applies specifically to LAX and it's public spaces:
http://www.lawa.org/newsPrint.aspx?ID=1268
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It sets a dangerous precedent in matters of freedom of speech, but it seems like the USA is hell bent on eliminating as many of our civil rights as it can get away with. And given the current climate of fear-and-hatred, stateside; I doubt it will be the last insult to our Constitution we'll have to endure.
Quote:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin
-and earlier addressed to those in power,
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"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." -'Poor Richard's Almanack' (1738)

But our leaders don't give a dammn about any of that. They're just sick of The Moonies momentarily annoying idiots running from security lines to flight gates. That's well worth giving up all our essential liberties, and definitely worth making a grab for as much power as they can over... Right?
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I wholehearted agree with your sentiment Gaddy.
According to the complaint, the ordinance was added because so many PEOPLE complained about the Moonies in and around the airport...
Sometimes it's not just the elected officials fault. Sometimes it's the whining public.
I wonder what percentage of people complained compared to the amount of traffic that LAX gets, as it's typically a minority that loudly protests their complaints, and act like they speak for us all.

Regardless, it's a violation of the first amendment and the city should have told the whiners to grow up and act American. What makes the people of LA think their airport is NOT part of the US?

Legislate away annoyances? What universe are these people from?
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Hey Gaddy,.... "diddo´s".
You know , old Ben Franklin was probably a pretty good busker, as well!! Come to think about it, wasn´t he that guy with the "Cups `n Bells" routine? I think Sonny Holiday is playing his old pitch, on the South Street, in Philly (check youtube!).

sitting out the heat, in the Hamburger Hafen,
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I haven't seen a Moonie at an airport in years. There were some Larouchies at Houston Hobby a couple of weeks ago. These guys know the law.

They had some complaints that they had tacked some material up on the walls at the airport. When the gendarmes came to have them pull the material off the walls, they showed that the offending material was on special frames that they had brought along with them and no tacks or other permanent or semi-permanent attaching methods were used, so no law was violated.

My main question would be this. Does anyone actually busk at airports? Isn't an airport a far less than ideal pitch? Most of the people in the public areas are trying to get through ticket and baggage lines and simply don't want to be bothered by anyone.
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The crypto-fascists strike again! And on the "freedom of speech bit as well". Ironic, or just disgusting?
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In the case of the Moonies and ANY political people, it's really more annoying than anything else.

Nashville used to have a guitar player who was hired by the airport to play the guitar in the public area right next to the escalators that lead down to the baggage claim area. He wasn't busking or anything like that. Just playing some nice, tasty guitar.

That stopped when the economic crunch hit, though.
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The City of Philadelphia used to hire me all the time to juggle at the airport, but that was before 911.
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