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Jonh a very large number of scientists thought the world was flat. Did it become round once more thought it was?

A very large number of the same scientists telling of global warming now had scared us about an ice age not long ago. We are supposed to forget this? How about the doomday scenarios that have not come to pass?

Nope we are good this time. This time science has it worked out.

What if we did all the things they wanted us to because of an ice age? Ever think of that?
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The experts have told John, the enemy is humanity itself, and you never expected him to attack?
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Danny, I don't know if any reason will get through to you, but I'll try one more time.

Scientists are not infallible. If we are to act on information, we should act on the best available. Maybe you know more than all the scientists, but I doubt it.

Given the uncertainty of the world, I advocate taking the most reliable information available and modifying as new information comes up.

John

BTW check your facts on the ice age prediction. You are blowing smoke again.
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On 2010-08-08 18:09, Dannydoyle wrote:

A very large number of the same scientists telling of global warming now had scared us about an ice age not long ago.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-......970s.htm

Whatever that very large number was, theirs was still a minority opinion at the time.
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[quote]On 2010-08-08 18:32, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Danny, I don't know if any reason will get through to you, but I'll try one more time.


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Oh no John you and only those you agree with are gifted enough to reason. No the rest of are just way to stoopid to even imagine how that would work. We need to be guided by you so smart so we don't end up eating our fingers by accident during meals.

Must be fun to always look down on people huh?
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Here's a tip. When you do the "quote" thing, include a forward slash in the second of the "quote" tags. Smile
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Or stop posting from my phone.

But yet again I must thank the elite class for pointing out how we must be guided. Now spellcheck me just to prove it further.
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Danny, you have disagreed with me at least as many times as I have disagreed with you. Does this mean you are looking down at me? Or does it just go one way?
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The experts in the believers camp, seem to me, to be now blaming the politicians for the gross exaggerations that have given them such a bad name, rather than blaming the expert sceptics. Least I have seen a few open serious debates held in public between the two camps now over here since the scandals. The impression I got is they are almost agreeing with the sceptic experts now.
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Mandarin,

Perhaps that ice break-off is being overstated in the press. A glacier in Greenland calved a similar chunk of ice in 1962.

Data presented by the Danish Meteorological Institute show that the extent and thickness of the arctic ice sheet are on the rebound. The ice is much thicker this summer than it was during the summer of 2007. Summer in the arctic is over, and this year's has been the coldest summer since 1958, which is to say the coldest arctic summer since the D.M.I. has been keeping the current dataset.

Meanwhile, antarctic ice is at the highest levels ever recorded. It has been a very cold winter in the southern hemisphere.

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On 2010-08-08 19:50, Woland wrote:
Mandarin,

Perhaps that ice break-off is being overstated in the press. A glacier in Greenland calved a similar chunk of ice in 1962.

Data presented by the Danish Meteorological Institute show that the extent and thickness of the arctic ice sheet are on the rebound. The ice is much thicker this summer than it was during the summer of 2007. Summer in the arctic is over, and this year's has been the coldest summer since 1958, which is to say the coldest arctic summer since the D.M.I. has been keeping the current dataset.

Meanwhile, antarctic ice is at the highest levels ever recorded. It has been a very cold winter in the southern hemisphere.

Woland


Do you have a reference or a link?

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John,

Thanks for asking.

The D.M.I. page on the extent of arctic ice is here:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

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John,

Thanks for asking.

The D.M.I. page on the extent of arctic ice is here:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

Woland


I was looking at that earlier today. I don't see the point you are making.

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The graph shows the last 5 years as being very close together; I don't see that that implies that damage is being undone.

NASA's satellite imagery site has a brief bit about the slight anomaly in the arctic ice this year. Apparently some cold water postponed the date of the maximum spring cover to the latest date yet seen, but the ice is thin and porous and is melting very rapidly nonetheless. The images and article are here.

John
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On 2010-08-08 20:19, Woland wrote:
John,

Thanks for asking.

The D.M.I. page on the extent of arctic ice is here:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

Woland


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"At the end of March, Arctic sea ice had re-frozen to an unusual degree – there was more ice than average. The last three months have brought the story of Arctic sea ice back on depressing track. There's never been so little ice in the Arctic in June, and there's never been more ice lost during the month of June, not since humans started measuring it anyway.

Putting this into perspective, imagine the area covered by Mexico, the United States (including Alaska) and the westernmost province of Canada, British Columbia: That's the average amount of ice that covers the Arctic in June. Now cut away Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, and you have the extent of June 2010.

Compared to the last record-low for June, there's 73,000 fewer square miles of Arctic sea ice (roughly the size of New England).

Records for minimum sea ice extent would have been set in 2008 and 2009, compared to any other year on record, if it were not for 2007, when a dramatic record low was recorded.

The seasonal melt will continue into September, so the global warming litmus test will continue through the summer. As the National Snow and Ice Data Center, which tracks sea ice conditions, put it, whether or not we witness a new record-low this summer will depend largely on "weather conditions, atmospheric patterns, and cloud cover over the next month." Right now, it isn't looking good. Then again, most of the ice lost to this point was young one-year-old ice. Further melting will encounter thick, multi-year-old ice that is tougher to melt, so the rate of melting could well slow down.

Satellite records date to 1979, but ice cores and other data indicate that the rate of melting is unprecedented and can only be explained by the heat-trapping accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. As ice melts, the darker water that is revealed absorbs more heat than the reflective ice, reinforcing the melting trend."

Read more: http://www.thedailygreen.com/environment......w44SsMEz
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The temperature of ice within a glacier changes with depth. Snow falling on the surface of a glacier is the same temperature as the air at the surface. As more snow falls, the older snow is pushed down into the glacier, taking that surface temperature with it. In polar regions, where air temperatures are very cold, ice near the surface of a glacier is also very cold. But with depth, ice temperature increases because the ice is being warmed from below by geothermal energy from Earth. Many alpine glaciers are isothermal (of a nearly uniform temperature), and are very near the melt temperature throughout.
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On 2010-08-08 20:19, Woland wrote:
John,

Thanks for asking.

The D.M.I. page on the extent of arctic ice is here:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

Woland


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"At the end of March, Arctic sea ice had re-frozen to an unusual degree – there was more ice than average. The last three months have brought the story of Arctic sea ice back on depressing track. There's never been so little ice in the Arctic in June, and there's never been more ice lost during the month of June, not since humans started measuring it anyway.

Putting this into perspective, imagine the area covered by Mexico, the United States (including Alaska) and the westernmost province of Canada, British Columbia: That's the average amount of ice that covers the Arctic in June. Now cut away Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, and you have the extent of June 2010.

Compared to the last record-low for June, there's 73,000 fewer square miles of Arctic sea ice (roughly the size of New England).

Records for minimum sea ice extent would have been set in 2008 and 2009, compared to any other year on record, if it were not for 2007, when a dramatic record low was recorded.

The seasonal melt will continue into September, so the global warming litmus test will continue through the summer. As the National Snow and Ice Data Center, which tracks sea ice conditions, put it, whether or not we witness a new record-low this summer will depend largely on "weather conditions, atmospheric patterns, and cloud cover over the next month." Right now, it isn't looking good. Then again, most of the ice lost to this point was young one-year-old ice. Further melting will encounter thick, multi-year-old ice that is tougher to melt, so the rate of melting could well slow down.

Satellite records date to 1979, but ice cores and other data indicate that the rate of melting is unprecedented and can only be explained by the heat-trapping accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. As ice melts, the darker water that is revealed absorbs more heat than the reflective ice, reinforcing the melting trend."

Read more: http://www.thedailygreen.com/environment......w44SsMEz


Whit, I really wish you would quit doing this. It's as though you are telling everyone that they can't win in a game of 3 card monte. That's loser talk, get over yourself Smile
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How do you get those lil charts to appear?
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How do you get those lil charts to appear?

Wishing makes it so. Smile

Actually, we could tell you the real way, but then Danny would go on again about the "elite class ... pointing out how we must be guided". Smile
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On 2010-08-08 23:43, MagicSanta wrote:
How do you get those lil charts to appear?


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On 2010-08-08 23:43, MagicSanta wrote:
How do you get those lil charts to appear?


Find a picture you like somewhere on the internet. Right click it and choose "Copy Image Location".

Now when you make your post go <img>PASTE YOUR IMAGE LOCATION HERE</img>

and when you submit, the picture will be there.


NOTE: Do NOT use <>, use [] instead. Because they are part of the code I couldn't use them to illustrate what I meant.

Have fun

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