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In keeping with the theme of science I am switching over to the 'global warming is man caused'. Now I don't believe this but all my future post will be to state that position of being on the pro side.

Global Warming is clearly caused by our greed and desire of cheap products and using materials that are not natural that produce pollutants. Companies have to be responsible for their crimes against the planet and the consumer, all of us, have to pay our part with higher prices because it was our wanting lower prices that caused these issues. Anyone who has seen a factory or a busy highway and cannot see that we have destoyed the air and overcome the present plant populations ability to filter out carbons is blind!

So leave mother earth alone! Don't you see she is sick? She comes back and people call her fat and say bad things about her, leave earth alone! She can't take it, there is something wrong with her! If you have an issue with earth then you have an issue with me, come after me and leave earth alone!
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On 2010-08-12 17:12, MagicSanta wrote:
In keeping with the theme of science I am switching over to the 'global warming is man caused'. Now I don't believe this but all my future post will be to state that position of being on the pro side.

Global Warming is clearly caused by our greed and desire of cheap products and using materials that are not natural that produce pollutants. Companies have to be responsible for their crimes against the planet and the consumer, all of us, have to pay our part with higher prices because it was our wanting lower prices that caused these issues. Anyone who has seen a factory or a busy highway and cannot see that we have destoyed the air and overcome the present plant populations ability to filter out carbons is blind!

So leave mother earth alone! Don't you see she is sick? She comes back and people call her fat and say bad things about her, leave earth alone! She can't take it, there is something wrong with her! If you have an issue with earth then you have an issue with me, come after me and leave earth alone!


So you're still off your meds eh?
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This is a good book:

The Confidence-Man: His Masquerade was the last major novel by Herman Melville, the American writer and author of Moby-Dick. Published on April 1, 1857

The novel's title refers to its central character, an ambiguous figure who sneaks aboard a Mississippi steamboat on April Fool's Day. This stranger attempts to test the confidence of the passengers, whose varied reactions constitute the bulk of the text. In this work Melville is at his best illustrating the human masquerade. Each person including the reader is forced to confront that in which he places his trust.
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I'm back on 'em! My wife just spoke to me and I didn't want to strangle her...good sign! I feel a lot better.
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Laws of matter and all.

Tough to get those ideas totally ou though huh?


I am sure there is an awful lot of distance between our understandings of economics and politics, and certainly on religion as well.

I am sure I am very to the left of you. But I pray for you and all my friends in mental darkness on a regular basis... Smile


I think you would be shocked at my understanding of religion actually. Politics is simply opinion, and economics well the proof is there. No spin just look at it. Not quite as tough as some like to make it, or as twisted as some need it to be to prove the point.

I was just curious if some of those Marxist tendencies are still alive within you or if you only stopped with your understanding of religion for conversion. I find it facinating someone with the confidence of charector to convert to ANYTHING. I don't care if you convert to what I agree with, that sort of clarity is cool.
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Laws of matter and all.

Tough to get those ideas totally ou though huh?


I am sure there is an awful lot of distance between our understandings of economics and politics, and certainly on religion as well.

I am sure I am very to the left of you. But I pray for you and all my friends in mental darkness on a regular basis... Smile


I think you would be shocked at my understanding of religion actually. Politics is simply opinion, and economics well the proof is there. No spin just look at it. Not quite as tough as some like to make it, or as twisted as some need it to be to prove the point.

I was just curious if some of those Marxist tendencies are still alive within you or if you only stopped with your understanding of religion for conversion. I find it facinating someone with the confidence of charector to convert to ANYTHING. I don't care if you convert to what I agree with, that sort of clarity is cool.


"Marxist tendencies?" That's a bit insulting to my mind.

I don't think of philosophical positions as character flaws or moral failings.

I still believe that there is a lot of accuracy to Marx's analysis of 19th century capitalism. I reject his utopianism and athiesm. I believe that he failed to forsee the rise of unionism, and the capitalist response of social welfare programs and union protections to the threat of socialist revolution. Twentieth Century capitalism proved remarkably more flexible than Marx predicted, and the dialectic went in a different direction than he could have imagined. I also think that his view of man as a tabula rasa completely molded by environment is wrong, and that his optimism on the nature of man unfounded.

Have you read Das Kapital, Danny? I will be happy to discuss it with you anytime.

I will change my opinion whenever I find the evidence compelling. I don't understand people who just use their gut instincts and personal feelings to come to political, philosophical and religious points of view. I certainly don't agree with you that politics and economics are "just" opinions. I think opinions should be made with more than just a whim.
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Oh no please do not take that as an insult. Hey even if someone is Marxist, if I disagree with it there is NO insult involved. I think of it as a failed philisophy but again, that is an opinion. It is not meant to be an insult.

Heck you can make a logical arguement that "capitalism" (which I think is a Marxist term much like "middle class") is also pretty well failed as well.

The problem I see, and was trying to illustrate is that politics, and thus economics and now religion has been courrupted and are ALL just done on a whim. Each side gets the propeganda machines going and before you know it they have people reacting in anger, and thus blind. This is why when almost ANY president gets in office they have people who are regretting the vote, because more than voting FOR someone, they voted AGAINST another.

Heck the candidates themeselvs run on it. ("Do you want 4 more years of the failed Bush policies?") People fall for it emotionally, or on a whim, and they never really vote their true beliefs. I am afraid that a HUGE portion of our society does this.
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Proceedings of the First International Conference on

Economic De-Growth for Ecological Sustainability and Social Equity

Paris, 18-19 April 2008

http://events.it-sudparis.eu/degrowthcon......ings.pdf


“Economic De-Growth” what do the believers think that means? The opposite of what it says perhaps?

“Social Equity” where does that come from? Could it have come out of Marxism by any chance?
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Red pill medication time!

Carbon Currency Foundation is a non governmental and non profit organization (ONG), working for a future you can plane in the 5 continents, for the preservation of the raiforests and the equatorial evergreen forests. At every stage the Carbon Currency Foundation will work with local people, partners and its donors. Nothing - absolutely nothing - would be possible without them.



Global carbon currency replacing all paper currencies, limiting manufacturing, food production and people movement
Carbon Currency: A New Beginning for Technocracy?
By Patrick Wood for CFP Tuesday, January 26, 2010

Critics who think that the U.S. dollar will be replaced by some new global currency are perhaps thinking too small. On the world horizon looms a new global currency that could replace all paper currencies and the economic system upon which they are based. The new currency, simply called Carbon Currency, is designed to support a revolutionary new economic system based on energy (production, and consumption), instead of price. Our current price-based economic system and its related currencies that have supported capitalism, socialism, fascism and communism, is being herded to the slaughterhouse in order to make way for a new carbon-based world.

It is plainly evident that the world is laboring under a dying system of price-based economics as evidenced by the rapid decline of paper currencies. The era of fiat (irredeemable paper currency) was introduced in 1971 when President Richard Nixon decoupled the U.S. dollar from gold. Because the dollar-turned-fiat was the world’s primary reserve asset, all other currencies eventually followed suit, leaving us today with a global sea of paper that is increasingly undesired, unstable, unusable.
The deathly economic state of today’s world is a direct reflection of the sum of its sick and dying currencies, but this could soon change.
Forces are already at work to position a new Carbon Currency as the ultimate solution to global calls for poverty reduction, population control, environmental control, global warming, energy allocation and blanket distribution of economic wealth.
Unfortunately for individual people living in this new system, it will also require authoritarian and centralized control over all aspects of life, from cradle to grave.

http://www.carboncurrencyfoundation.org/......acy.html
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If anyone is interested in considering the role of statistical analysis in the models of climate history that have been bandied about in the anthropogenic global warming debate, a paper will be published in the Annals of Applied Statistics this fall, but is available now, here: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.c......2010.pdf

The authors, from Northwestern and the University of Pennsylvania, note first of all that the climatologists have generally not collaborated with university-level statisticians; that when modern statistical methods are applied, evidence for the "hockey stick" is lacking in the data; and that the climatologists significantly underestimate the uncertainty in their models.

A major problem from the statistical point of view is that the "response and predictor variables are both strongly autocorrelated." Hence "time dependence in the temperature series is sufficiently strong to permit complex sequences of random numbers to forecast out-of-sample reasonably well fairly frequently" -- this means that the climatologists constructed their models so that even using them to analyze random numbers yield the result of threatening global warming.

To reiterate my criticisms of the global warming models, (1) the data are too sparse and too poor in quality to justify the sweeping conclusions of the enthusiasts, and (2) the statistical models that the climatologists employ are seriously flawed. The evidence is just not good enough to justify up-ending every industrial economy in the world.

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If anyone is interested in considering the role of statistical analysis in the models of climate history that have been bandied about in the anthropogenic global warming debate, a paper will be published in the Annals of Applied Statistics this fall, but is available now, here: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.c......2010.pdf

Are you sure it is accepted for publication? The article itself says only that it was SUBMITTED to the Annals of Applied Statistics. McShanes's CV says the same thing, i.e., the paper is submitted not accepted.

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The authors, from Northwestern and the University of Pennsylvania, note first of all that the climatologists have generally not collaborated with university-level statisticians; that when modern statistical methods are applied, evidence for the "hockey stick" is lacking in the data; and that the climatologists significantly underestimate the uncertainty in their models.

I have not read the entire paper, but from what I've read in the conclusions what you said is not quite true. Well, it might be, it depends what you mean by the hockey stick model. They say that evidence for the "long-handled" hockey stick going back to 1000 AD is lacking in the data (but this seems to be a statement that only applies to the models they tried ... I'll have to read the entire paper to be sure about what they actually did). HOWEVER, just to be clear, they are not claiming that the temperature in recent decades has not been rising nor anything like that.
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Are you sure it is accepted for publication? The article itself says only that it was SUBMITTED to the Annals of Applied Statistics. McShanes's CV says the same thing, i.e., the paper is submitted not accepted.



Looks as though it has been accepted and is in the queue for publication.

That said, the conclusion section is pretty modest. I'm looking forward to what you have to say about the full content of the paper.

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Where are we in cycle of ice ages?


I note that this excellent question is met with a deafening silence. Over to you Whit, John, Payne.
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Do they account for water vapor yet?
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John,

Yes, the conclusions of the statistical paper are suitably modest. But that's all they have to be, to undermine if not refute the decidedly un-modest conclusions of those who use the CRU models to advocate the sweeping changes that would up-end industrial civilization.

balducci,

The most devastating finding in the paper is not that the "long hockey stick model" doesn't hold, but that even in-putting random numbers into the climate models produces the "hockey stick" effect.

Whether or not the current decade or two is warmer than other 10- or 20-year periods in the earth's recent history is not really the issue that is controversial here: it is whether the current warm period is the result of industrial activity, whether it portends continued warming, and whether that additional warming, if it occurs, will have catastrophic consequences.

This statistical paper contributes to the refutation of that chain of consequences by showing that the statistical models used by the CRU and other anthropogenic global warming enthusiasts are inherently flawed.

I continue to think that (1) there is no evidence that the current warm period is any warmer than previous warm periods whose warmth was certainly not caused by industrial activity; (2) the simple correlation between climate around the world and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is far from proven; (3) the statistical models used to predict coming catastrophic climate events are inherently flawed; and of course (4) the data which the models used is sparse, incomplete, and often of dubious value.

Climatology in its present condition is very interesting and suitable for academic discussion, but hardly robust enough to support any drastic changes in economic policies.

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I'm keeping notes, is CV now the new hip way of saying resume?
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I'm keeping notes, is CV now the new hip way of saying resume?

No. A CV (curriculum vitae) is somewhat different than a resume.

http://jobsearch.about.com/cs/curriculumvitae/f/cvresume.htm
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I looked it up and CV is a different form it seems that if you as for examples you are sent to same sites as the resume....thus it's usage, like so often happens today, seems to have changed. I noted that in another thread a member who's experience is, to say the least, limited had their resume refered to as a CV and certainly a CV wouldn't be required for that individual.
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