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Now all of the sudden you turn to Bush as the voice of reason? Goodness, I thought y'all thought he was an idiot? Now he's got perspective.....

The fact is they did not have the progressive nuke program that the intelligence groups said, I explained that. I realize to libs using gas to kill off groups of people is potentially a good idea for future consideration but Saddam used it against the Kurds. Do you not consider chemical weapons to be mass destruction? Maybe that is the problem....y'all are pro chemical and biological weapons.

Screw it...here:

is also known that in the 1980s he pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program.

After the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, the United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi WMD and related equipment and materials throughout the early 1990s, with varying degrees of Iraqi cooperation and obstruction.[1] In response to diminishing Iraqi cooperation with UNSCOM, the United States called for withdrawal of all UN and IAEA inspectors in 1998, resulting in Operation Desert Fox. The United States and the UK asserted that Saddam Hussein still possessed large hidden stockpiles of WMD in 2003, and that he was clandestinely procuring and producing more. Inspections by the UN to resolve the status of unresolved disarmament questions restarted from November 2002 until March 2003,[2] under UN Security Council Resolution 1441, which demanded Saddam give "immediate, unconditional and active cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspections.[3]


They DID NOT find the missles you guys fantasized about.

Hey, if you folks need to blame someone blame those UN people, they were behind the whole thing.
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Uh right, no missiles. Right, the Iraqi WMD program was destroyed by 1990. Right, the UN inspectors left because they were pulled out by the US request. Right the US and UK asserted and never proved Saddam had WMDs in 2003, and then Bush later said he was wrong. And finally, right, no nuclear weapons like Condi fantasized.

So we agree on tons of stuff, so it's all copasetic.

Got anthrax?
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No but if you could go to the amazon.com page and see if you can find where the hell one can fill out a profile for a job I'd appreciate it. I can't find the dang area to do that!

Condi....is she still alive?
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A meteor is hurtling through space aimed directly at the Earth. It will cause massive damage to the human species.

With luck it will create a vacancy or two.

And have John and Payne now finished putting their old spot of ink in a clear bottle of water argument forward?
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Actually the way the media portrayed Saddam it seems as if we knocked off the Iraqi Abraham Lincoln.

I can relate it to climategate scandals if you like. They also have selective amnesia and the phras "not THOSE facts" applies.
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On 2010-08-17 06:48, tommy wrote:
And have John and Payne now finished putting their old spot of ink in a clear bottle of water argument forward?


This is an interesting twist. This time I'm the one who has no idea what you're talking about.

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I guess I missed it, I do that quite often, did the Bush administration say that Saddam had nukes we had to invade?
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Yes John a bit of change for you from you not knowing what you are talking about.

To help you know what you were talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81FHVrXgzuA
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Wow I am convinced.
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Tommy, I am tired of your dishonesty. It's time to check out. You can pretend that you win.

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For those who like their info Youtube style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyWsyqLDYjE
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Speaking of dishonesty, here is the deal with the gulf oil spill.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38294088/What_Doe......?slide=9

These were the people telling us how bad it would be forever, how it was going to get into the gulf stream. Oh even members right here told us that it would get to EUROPE!

Oh and our government used it as an opportunity to scare us into a drilling moratorium. One that will DESTROY THE LIVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE! No it is not armed conflict but it will hurt hundreds of thousands if not millions. Jobs lost. Tell me that is not bad. If you want "honesty" lets call for it across the board shall we?

John you yourself have referenced the spill as "how much oil spilled is enough" in an effort to show that fossil fuels are bad.

Oh wait I keep forgetting. Not THOSE facts.

(Oh I know it is not true because I used a right wing source CNBC. Oops.)
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On 2010-08-17 10:53, Dannydoyle wrote:


John you yourself have referenced the spill as "how much oil spilled is enough" in an effort to show that fossil fuels are bad.



I don't recall ever saying that. Can you provide a link please.
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"I think most of use (wisely) chose to deal with "first things first". There are undoubtedly dilemmas regarding our appropriate use of this planet. How much oil contamination are we willing to tolerate in order to get at the earth's reserves in a timely and cost effective manner? To what extent are we committed to preserving ecosystems? To preserving the earth itself? These are great questions, worthy of discussion. But they do get in the way of the current discussion."

John
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Written by YOU on July 31st on page 3 of this discussion John. Yep you put it in the form of a question here and will probably say you did not advocate it in the way I am taking it, but here it is anyhow. The complete text of the post.
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Well Blow Me Down! All along I thought John was one of the suckers and didn’t realise until now that he is one of the con men.
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On 2010-08-17 12:34, Dannydoyle wrote:
"I think most of use (wisely) chose to deal with "first things first". There are undoubtedly dilemmas regarding our appropriate use of this planet. How much oil contamination are we willing to tolerate in order to get at the earth's reserves in a timely and cost effective manner? To what extent are we committed to preserving ecosystems? To preserving the earth itself? These are great questions, worthy of discussion. But they do get in the way of the current discussion."

John
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Written by YOU on July 31st on page 3 of this discussion John. Yep you put it in the form of a question here and will probably say you did not advocate it in the way I am taking it, but here it is anyhow. The complete text of the post.


Good. Now compare what I wrote with what you said I wrote:

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John you yourself have referenced the spill as "how much oil spilled is enough" in an effort to show that fossil fuels are bad.


Not even close, Danny.

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Of couse not John. Suprise suprise. Talk in double speak liberal nonsense long enough and you can nevwr be held to account for what you say. This way when facts change your position is not jeapordised.

"How much oil contamination are we willing to tolerate".

What EXACTLY did you mean by that John?
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Well, I'm off to the stadium to spill me some beer.

(Put those little beer bottle thingees here).
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On 2010-08-17 13:35, Dannydoyle wrote:
Of couse not John. Suprise suprise. Talk in double speak liberal nonsense long enough and you can nevwr be held to account for what you say. This way when facts change your position is not jeapordised.

"How much oil contamination are we willing to tolerate".

What EXACTLY did you mean by that John?


I used to work in the oil industry Danny. Spills happen. Procedures and equipment are in place to reduce spills; these cost. At the end of the day, regulating bodies, governments and oil companies have to decide how much they are willing to spend for how much prevention. There is no magical formula.

At the end of the day, there will be some cost and some risk. We (i.e. as a society, as a government, etc.) have to decide where to draw the line. How much expense are we willing to put into oil exploration and production for how much protection from spill?

I thought the question was simple to understand, and that the answer was very difficult to formulate.

No where in all this do you get "fossil fuels are bad"?

John
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From John's very first post:

"The long-awaited release of the Russell panel report in the U.K. should finally put to rest the scientific controversies surrounding the so-called Climategate scandal"

So ... after 17 pages, (and counting), I'm guessing ..... not.
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