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On 2010-07-30 16:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
Heidelberg Appeal. Authored in 1992 and signed by at least 4,000 scientists, including 72 Nobel Prize winners-all skeptics of man made global warming.

Also look at the Oregon Petition. This was eventually signed by 30,000 American scientists who "have formal training in the analysis of information in physical science". (Sort of what John claims huh?)

To save time, I guess they are all disgruntled right? All paid for by big business and have been paid for the opinion.


No, the signers of the so called "Oregon Petition" are mostly unknown. No checks have been done to validate the identities of any of the signers and the list sports the names of Ginger Spice, Hawkeye Pierce and Bozo the Clown.
The original petition was sent out under questionable and possibly fraudulent conditions to anyone holding any kind of academic degree. You could be a veterinarian and qualify to sign the original petition. It is doubtful that many qualified Climate Scientist signatures are actually on this document.

See more about this matter here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mgT-xJNFA
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When is the focus schedule to shift from climate stuff to Mayan calender stuff?
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On 2010-07-30 18:45, Payne wrote:
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On 2010-07-30 16:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
Heidelberg Appeal. Authored in 1992 and signed by at least 4,000 scientists, including 72 Nobel Prize winners-all skeptics of man made global warming.

Also look at the Oregon Petition. This was eventually signed by 30,000 American scientists who "have formal training in the analysis of information in physical science". (Sort of what John claims huh?)

To save time, I guess they are all disgruntled right? All paid for by big business and have been paid for the opinion.


No, the signers of the so called "Oregon Petition" are mostly unknown. No checks have been done to validate the identities of any of the signers and the list sports the names of Ginger Spice, Hawkeye Pierce and Bozo the Clown.
The original petition was sent out under questionable and possibly fraudulent conditions to anyone holding any kind of academic degree. You could be a veterinarian and qualify to sign the original petition. It is doubtful that many qualified Climate Scientist signatures are actually on this document.

See more about this matter here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mgT-xJNFA


Wow shocking you disagree and have bad things to say about all of them. Interesting.

John, you know full well the imiages that the term "deniers" conjures up, or at least should with your command of language. It is an intentional term and you full well know it. Every time it is used it is despiration. The whole cloth is ripping apart at the seams.
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Danny I don't think that the word "deniers" has anything remotely like the word "hysterics". And I do not use it from desperation as I have nothing to despair.

You are grasping at straws.

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You know, I have noticed that in the last couple months it has gotten warmer....
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The believers believe what they they don't understand and the denies have no faith.
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John,

I have not used the term climate hysteric to indicate those with whom I disagree, or those who disagree with me.

I use the term to designate those who stridently proclaim that western industrial civilization needs to be shut down, while they themselves continue to travel by private jet, etc., and make millions peddling phony and worthless "carbon credits" to their gullible pigeons.

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On 2010-07-31 00:10, tommy wrote:
The believers believe what they they don't understand and the denies have no faith.


You might want to check the carbon monoxide in that mine...

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Wow shocking you disagree and have bad things to say about all of them. Interesting.



No, I am showing you that the validity of the signers of the Oregon petition have never been verified. Thus the document is completely worthless. Petitions boasting such numbers could be and have been leveled against other established sciences as well.

Show me a document signed by verified experts in the field of climate science and the peer reviewed materials to support their claims and then we'll talk.

Until that time your just employing Argumentum ad populum which bears no weight in the debate.

Show us the science to support your claims. Then we'll talk
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Wow I wish you held that same sort of strict adherance to your own beliefs, yet when it comes to promoting socialism (your stated intent) the rules seem to be a bit lax.

Fact is that if anything happened on the opposite side of any arguement you promote such as those emails it would be trumpeted from the rooftops as failure and fake and all that such stuff and you full well know it. You cherry pick and call it "science" when in reality it is at best belief and religion.
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John,

I have not used the term climate hysteric to indicate those with whom I disagree, or those who disagree with me.

I use the term to designate those who stridently proclaim that western industrial civilization needs to be shut down, while they themselves continue to travel by private jet, etc., and make millions peddling phony and worthless "carbon credits" to their gullible pigeons.

Woland


You were responding to something I wrote. Nobody in this forum, indeed no one referred to in this discussion fits that description. It is at best gratuitous.

John
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John the fact is that many people have come forth and said that creating a "hysteria" is needed. It is a technique used by politicians to advance the global warming cause. You reel from it but fact is you fall for the technique. My god better than 20 years ago we were to reach a point of no return. Hmm hasn't happened.

Payne himself admits that it is a technique used. Hysteria is the easiest and most efficient way to move people. Problem is it blinds those who really care (like you) to any other opinion. It solidifies your belief. You may not part take in it, but you do fall for it.

Don't worry, the populace has a short memory. Your religion may indeed have an upsurge soon.
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Danny name one who is relevant to the discussion here.

The fact is, many people say stupid things about any topic you can name. It is simply not honest to introduce them into a conversation where they don't belong.

Feel free to do it; but I'll call it for what it is. I'm interested in ideas, facts and interpretations. If you or anyone else wishes to play rhetorical games that amount to nothing more than name-calling, count me out.

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They came up with idea of creating the threat Global Warming to create hysteria to fill the Vacuum. Read chapter five.
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One thing is certain...The world has change from the beginning of time and it will continue for many thousands of years.

Our orbit around the Sun changes and with it so does the climate, that's basic Science 101.
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One thing is certain...The world has change from the beginning of time and it will continue for many thousands of years.



Probably true, the question is, are humans going to maximize our time here?

So, I go back to my question which no one has yet answered:

If global warming were shown to be occurring significantly, but not largely man-made, should we take steps to try and change it?

Let's deal with first things first.
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One thing is certain...The world has change from the beginning of time and it will continue for many thousands of years.



Probably true, the question is, are humans going to maximize our time here?

So, I go back to my question which no one has yet answered:

If global warming were shown to be occurring significantly, but not largely man-made, should we take steps to try and change it?

Let's deal with first things first.


I think most of use (wisely) chose to deal with "first things first". There are undoubtedly dilemmas regarding our appropriate use of this planet. How much oil contamination are we willing to tolerate in order to get at the earth's reserves in a timely and cost effective manner? To what extent are we committed to preserving ecosystems? To preserving the earth itself? These are great questions, worthy of discussion. But they do get in the way of the current discussion.

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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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The very idea that man has the ability that allows him to control the climate of planet is ridicules. The idea that man is doing so is a lie. The men that think we can or are must be suffering from delusions of grandeur. If we were going into a ice age all we do is prepare as we do for Christmas time. Its purely a political lie. Read chapter five . The real and whole purpose of of lie is control the people not the climate. Yes the climate changes as always and will. So what?
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So John what do YOU do to contribute to the solution? Ride a bike to work? Don't use heating oil during the winter in Canada?

What level are YOU willing to drop your lifestyle to in order for your religion to be relevant?
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