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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
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On 2010-07-31 13:27, tommy wrote: Actually, we put a hole in the Ozone Layer, and eventually fixed it by cutting back on fluorocarbons. Man can have an effect the weather: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2010-07-31 19:02, Dannydoyle wrote: Curious questions, Danny. The debate so far has been about the science. But since you asked, I do walk and ride a bike as much as possible. I take (and like) public transit. But I do also own a car, and I use it when I have to. As you note, home heating is a big concern in northern countries. I have a high-efficiency natural gas furnace (very few people use heating oil in this country) and I have the thermostat programmed to lower the house temperature at night and when the house is empty. I am currently beginning a renovation to improve overall heat efficiency, including replacing old windows with newer, more efficient ones. As for the cheap crack about religion, Danny you really should be above that. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I will not be using my heater this Winter! Okay, it is because it is broken and if I don't get a job I won't able to replace it...but still it sounds good!
Heating is a problem up North, say, wouldn't it be great if we could figure a way to make it warmer? |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It seems John will be doing nothing different then.
Santa that would be cool. Taking about religion, that is one of very reasons they came up with the lie of the threat of global warming: People are no longer going to church and they need something to unite them again and the threat of global warming fit’s the bill, they said. It is in fact a religion that they gave the idiot public. Read chapter five. Hoe about that for a bit of irony, Payne as seen the light and does not know it.
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
Tommy:
You sure find a lot of weird non-scientist "experts" for your theory. From Wikipedia on Webster Tarpley: "Tarpley earned a BA at Princeton University in 1966 in English and Italian, summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa. Fulbright Scholar at University of Turin, Italy. Master of Arts in humanities from Skidmore College. He was born in Pittsfield, Massachusetts in 1946." "Webster Griffin Tarpley is an author, journalist, lecturer, and critic of US foreign and domestic policy. Tarpley maintains that the September 11 attacks were engineered by a rogue network of the military industrial complex and intelligence agencies." "His writings and speeches describe a model of false flag terror operations by a rogue network in the military/intelligence sector working with moles in the private sector and in corporate media, and locates such contemporary false flag operations in a historical context stretching back in the English speaking world to at least the "gunpowder plot" in England in 1605. He also maintains that "The notion of anthropogenic global warming is a fraud." "He is a critic of the Dalai Lama, and opposed to support for a free Tibet." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2010-07-31 13:19, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: The reason I say this question comes first is this: If you take the position a) that Nature or God must be allowed to take its course without human interference, or b) that nothing humans can do would make a difference anyway, then whether global warming is caused by man or is occurring at all becomes moot. It is wise not to conflate the positions of a) and b) with the question of whether or not manmade global warming is occurring. Inevitably in these threads I have seen this happening.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFCeJTEzNU
By the way Phil Jones and the rest then alarmists climate scientist and so called experts that you rely on are utterly incompetent.
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
Doesn't it say in Revelations that the world will be consumed by fire? (Or something like that)
Maybe we pollute the oceans with oil spills, and let the lightning ignite it! Wa-La...The worlds on fire! It won't be that beer can or recycling that gets us, it will most likely something much bigger and we will have no control over it.
Dennis Michael
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2010-07-31 23:22, Dennis Michael wrote: Not sure we need to worry about the sun going nova this year, but still - just one more reason to get the space program back up and running.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
When it comes to the world's climate, let's not be so northern-hemisphere-centric:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/13/2624141.htm "An extreme spell of cold weather in Peru has killed almost 250 children under the age of five in the past four months." The present winter is very cold. Note that the story ends: "Experts blame climate change for the early arrival of intense cold, which began in March, even though winter in the region does not usually begin until June." Of course "experts" now talk about "climate change" rather than "global warming" because with the term "climate change" you can now blame anything at all on anything you want. Perfect, eh? Woland |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Woland, do you have a clue? The experts have always spoken of change; the overall warming has led to large regions of greater variation than before. You are confusing journalists with experts. Again. Read some science.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
These threads will be a great resource for anyone studying the Dunning–Kruger effect...
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2010-08-01 09:42, Nosher wrote: Ha! Problem is we all think it's the other guy that suffers from miscalibration. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2010-07-31 20:03, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Well John, it is a religion with you. It really is. There is absolutely NOTHING that can be shown to you that you will not discount which would counter your belief. No matter what happens no matter what is discovered you are a true believer. It is about cherry picking science, it is not about science. It never is. As for what you are doing cool. Those things will in the long run save you money. I actually had a choice between 2 houses, and chose the one better insulated, and more modern systems so they do not use as much energy. Fantastic. But if things are SO bad, even public transit is certainly harmful. Having a car at all is evil isn't it? How far are you willing to go? The real question though John is how far are you willing to force others to go? Oh and is it the right thing to force others, when there is still doubt? Most of the issues are those of freedom. There is a difference between my buying the house I did by choice, and being forced to buy it because of poilcy. That is where my main complaint lies.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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spatlind Special user still moving 863 Posts |
Hyperbole
Actions lie louder than words - Carolyn Wells
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thank you, John, but I do have a clue.
As a worldwide phenomenon, the whole "global warming" or as some prefer "climate change" movement is not a merely scientific discussion or debate, but a political action movement devoted to dismantling western industrial civilization. And it is all based on the famous "hockey stick" graphic which purportedly demonstrated that the apparent climate warming of the recent past would continue without wavering until, in Al Gore's hyperbolic hysteria, the temperature of the earth approached that of the planet Venus. Well, it has now been shown that the temperature elevation in the latter end of the "hockey stick" graphic was either a mistaken or a deliberate artefact, and caused by (1) inaccurate surface temperature readings and decisions made to edit both satellite temperature readings and inconvenient surface temperature readings out of the model, (2) elimination of the medieval warm period from the model, and (3) "fudge factors" in the model itself. If the extreme temperature rise in the latter end of the "hockey stick" graphic is not real, what is there left to worry about? The world's climate may be on the warm side of its variability right now. If so -- enjoy it! When it gets colder, as it inevitably will, since what we are observing is just variation around the mean, you will find the world less hospitable than you find it now --- in many ways. Woland |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2010-08-01 11:19, Woland wrote: Not true. Also, I guess you missed these reports from last week: Associated Press WASHINGTON-Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming. “A comprehensive review of key climate indicators confirms the world is warming and the past decade was the warmest on record,” the annual State of the Climate report declares. Compiled by more than 300 scientists from 48 countries, the report said its analysis of 10 indicators that are “clearly and directly related to surface temperatures, all tell the same story: Global warming is undeniable.” http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tech......1655436/ “The conclusion is unmistakable – yes, the planet is warming,” said Derek Arndt, a co-editor of the report, called State of the Climate, which was published by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA. “The facts speak for themselves, and speak simultaneously,” said Mr. Arndt, who runs the Climate Monitoring Branch at NOAA. “And, they all point toward the same conclusion – the globe is warming.” The report – co-edited by researchers in the United States, Canada, Britain and Australia – pulled together data from 10 climate indicators measured by 160 research groups in 48 countries. The scientists compared the figures decade by decade as far back as possible, more than 100 years in some cases. They concluded 2000 to 2009 was the warmest decade ever, and the Earth has been growing warmer for 50 years. Each of the past three decades – 1980s, 1990s and 2000s – was the hottest on record, the researchers said. This year is shaping up to be even warmer. For the first six months of 2010, the combined global land and ocean temperature was the warmest on record, according to the NOAA. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate/ [For those who care, the above report makes no claim that this warming is due to man's activity.]
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Balducci,
All I have claimed is that (1) the observed apparent warming of the recent past (and present) is well within the limits of variability of the natural climate as far as we can tell from various forms of data about the historical climate, (2) that the presented evidence that the warming observed is due to human activity is unconvincing and that it is not necessary to bring human activity into the model in order to account for the climate changes that have been observed, (3) that the "hockey stick" graphic, which has been used to show that there is something out of the ordinary about the current period of warming, is an artefact, and (4) that in any event, living in periods of a warmer global climate is much to be preferred over living during periods of colder global climate. Nothing in the articles you have presented refutes any of those 4 points. Woland |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Woland, please provide credible scientific evidence to support your position. I promise to read it and comment appropriately.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
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On 2010-08-01 11:51, Woland wrote: Not quite. You also claimed that "...the whole "global warming" or as some prefer "climate change" movement is not a merely scientific discussion or debate, but a political action movement devoted to dismantling western industrial civilization." Which, quite frankly, places you in the set of tin foil hat wearers.
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