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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
This is not the first time that David has done a camera shot like this to sell an illusion to the TV Public.
Watch this clip of him performing The Graffiti Wall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWbNk6AlfBM At the 5:19 mark the camera cuts to a camera that shot that shows BEHIND the wall before David walks over to get the knife and "do the dirty work!" That one shot sells to the TV audience that nothing is behind that wall so the next shot we see of him going over to get the knife to cut open the envelope seems very natural and there is no heat... My take on TV editing has slowly been changed over the years I think. Our goal as magicians is to fool the audience. Sure, we're also there to entertain, but our job is also to deceive the audience into believing that we're able to accomplish feats that are not possible. Magic has begun to evolve. Part of what magic is seems now to be about editing, creative camera angles, and so forth. Laymen don't seem to care. Proof b/c Criss Angel has so many fans. I'm beginning to wonder if we're all being left in the dark b/c we (as purists) want magic to be "real" (in a sense) whereas what you see on TV is what you see live. It's all illusion. Who really cares if it's TV Illusion or Illusion. It's all a deception anyway...right?!?!?! My 2 cents... Christopher
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Servante Inner circle 1330 Posts |
But that means the magician doesn't accomplish the deed...he relies on the guys in the editing bay.
I've done that hundreds of times in video and film I've produced. Green screen, B rolls, digital animation...that's not magic. It's "trick photography." Anybody can pull that off. I can make any guy off the street a "magician" with trick photography. Where's the magic in that? No, Christopher, I don't mean to be argumentative here, but there's a difference between the traditions of magic and the technology of special effects. |
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Servante Inner circle 1330 Posts |
I mean...don't you think?
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Kent Wong Inner circle Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 2458 Posts |
Christopher,
You've probably opened up a pandora's box with your last post, but I applaud your courage in doing so. I actually agree with you to a certain extent. For years now, many of us have been asked by the general public what our opinions are of magicians like Blaine and Angel. I've always indicated that they represent an entirely new breed of magician, focused on a medium that everyone is familiar with. Television. Where many of us have heard of close up magicians, and stage illusionists, these two individuals have broken the barriers and become reknown Television Magicians. Indeed, they have redefined it. In the past, magicians such as Henning and Copperfield performed tremendous feats of magic on their annual television specials. But that was different. Theirs were often live telecasts of an extraordinary stage show. It was simply a stage illusionist being filmed and broadcast. Blaine and Angel's television specials were very different. Neither one of them had a stage show that was simply being filmed. They didn't have a true live audience. Instead, they knew that their audience was sitting at home in front of the television. And so, they tended to use every tool at their disposal to create a sense of magic and wonder for that audience. One of these tools included creative editing. Is this necessarily wrong? Perhaps not. In the past, magicians have always used every tool at their disposal in order to fool their audience. The only difference is that, in the past, they were dealing with a completely live audience. But even then, the use of doubles, shills, and plants were plentiful. Once people realize that a new division of magic (the Television Magician) has come into existence, things get a little easier to understand. The difficulty, however, is that the general public doesn't know this new type of magician exists. They expect magicians to be able to perform what they have seen on television, not realizing that it comes closer to a Spielberg creation than a live magic show. Angel is experienced this himself recently with his show on the Strip. Everyone came to his show expecting to see the same scale of magic they saw on television. Unfortunately, even Angel can't do the same tricks he does on television. Kent
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
A bit off the subject....but ive heard from 3 different people in the past year that david is working on a new 2 hour special that is dedicated to 1. bring him back on tour with illusions and 2. put people like criss angel in his place. Basically the new show will prove what a true magician can do, and what performers like angel cant.
I was told that is why he wanted to stay in vegas for a couple years performing while he was in his warehouse working on the new show. Anybody heard anything similar or is this a rumor that has reached me from 3 separate locations? I would love to know its true! I would love to see Copperfield show who angel really is! |
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Kent Wong Inner circle Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 2458 Posts |
I haven't heard anything about this but, why would Copperfield want to kick someone when he's down? Angel has enough problem of his own right now just trying to get Believe off the ground. If Copperfield wants to produce a new show, I'm sure he has better reasons than to "put people like criss angel in his place". Just my two bits.
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
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On 2010-07-19 14:36, Kent Wong wrote: Criss had some DVDs before the Mastermind serie. Supernatural and Made in Japan Best, Las |
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Fábio DeRose Inner circle San Paolo, Brasile 1477 Posts |
"Nothing here...[shows panel#1], or here....[shows panel #2], nothing here...[points towards the inexisting audience, but nobody sees it 'cause he is behind panel #1]"
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Why are you guys giving away Copperfield's method for his Illusions here on the open forum of the Café?
I know you know. I know too how it's done. So what? It automatically becomes "Public Domain"? Because it's Copperfield we can just discuss it openly? What if it was your Show being ripped apart here? At least take it to Secret Sessions. I'm disappointed...
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Fábio DeRose Inner circle San Paolo, Brasile 1477 Posts |
Do you even understand sarcasm?
By 'he' I mean David, not the other guy. |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Sorry, I got your joke...
I didn't mean you Fabio...
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Servante Inner circle 1330 Posts |
I think we're being obscure enough that the real magic secret is still safe (though this particular one shows up in a lot of mass market magic books). In my particular case, I'm referring to special effects and editing. Hundreds of thousands of television and film people know about the techniques referred to here. Millions of civilians have sussed it out with little effort.
I can make the guy who reads your gas meter into a "magician" with a small-town television studio, a green screen and a very basic editing bay. That's not really art. it's technology (and not very sophisticated technology). That's not really magic. It's television. And that's no secret. -Philip |
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Marshall Thornside Inner circle chicago 2016 Posts |
David is trying to compete with criss angel
for face time. even if it just cameo's after all the new mindfreak season begins next months. david can not allow the public forget him... and his clorox bleach sponsorship commercials.
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voodoo Regular user Indonesia 163 Posts |
He done that illusion in his tv show at the 80's if I'm not mistaken..
Old one but still magical!
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MrBadGuy New user 99 Posts |
David looks great. I see he's gone with basic black rather than that slouchy open blue shirt with white T under it. Good choice.
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
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On 2010-07-16 09:27, MagicGib wrote: MagicGib, The best way to judge a performance is to listen to the audience. I think that you are completely wrong about this performance, and that far from being a let down, it amazed the audience. Look at the man smiling, and the amazed look on the woman's face at 1:12 in the video Look at other people turning to each other in disbelief. At 1:14, looks at the row of smiling faces and people enthusiastically applauding. Note the third woman from the left who appears to be thinking very hard. At 1:15, she has an amazed look on her face, and then still at 1:15 she turns her head to the person next to her with questioning look on her face. Other people clearly have amazed expressions on their faces, and even by 1:15 other people still look very surprised. Listen to the enthusiastic cheers that go along with the applause. I predict David Copperfield will be asked back again to perform at other Hollywood events, as he has in the past, because he clearly delivers great magic.
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jimhlou Inner circle 3698 Posts |
Well Bill, maybe and maybe not. If you've ever been to one of these tapings, you know that before airtime they ask the audience to smile, applaud, look puzzled, scream, etc. - and then these "out-takes" are edited into the finished video. Not saying that this was done here, but what you see on TV is not always what you get.
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3222 Posts |
True, but what I presume was done is very deceptive to a non-magician, and I'd be surprised if the audience wasn't surprised. I'm also sure the idea of a routine that did not fool the live audience would be anathema to David Copperfield.
And, I doubt that the video was edited to enhance the deception in any way. Why, I would never say, and it's not possible for me to prove it wasn't used anyway. David Copperfield is known for coming up with altered methods to fool magicians, and I think this is such a case.
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Fábio DeRose Inner circle San Paolo, Brasile 1477 Posts |
Sure, but it's David Copperfield.
He could enter naked doing the Macarena and people would still go wild. Quote: On 2010-08-04 13:14, Bill Hallahan wrote: |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
He's good but the Macarena naked?
He's not that good...
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