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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts 
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Tears sometimes come from CR when you nail a name etc (direct hit). I had some cry from thought up images of a person etc. Its my personal moral dilemma then to tell them I am entertaining only etc. I feel it will happen to the best if they are good at what they do.
I agree with Alpha about advice and guiding people to make decisions. Please refrain if that is what is happening. Entertainment is just that. Respectively submitted as IMO G Man
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2674 Posts
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I'm certainly no 'master' of cold reading, there are people far better at it than me around here, but thanks for the nod alpha aphex.
Regarding 'an emotional reaction' from people, I've had people go teary eyed just when I've revealed a name of someone using a peek - and it's been their late mother or something like that. This can happen quite often, but here's the thing - when you're dealing with any kind of mentalism you are going to get SOME kind of reaction, and quite often it's going to be more than a card trick in the way it is perceived. So when you perform mentalism, you are in emotional territory - and you should be prepared for this kind of stuff. Even a drawing dupe could be personal, depending what the person drew. There are also people who just seem to cry at anything. However, to purposefully make people cry is another thing. To give Pakar some credit here without all calling him out as a bad reader, some people are just very emotional and you can catch them on a bad day. It doesn't mean you 'drove' them to being an emotional state- they may already be in one. Whenever you frame an effect with 'something personal to you' such as a name, drawing, childhood memory etc you must be prepared for the consequences, and that's not just readings. |
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Yannou Veteran user 381 Posts
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I think you should have some sort of system (palm reading, tarot spread etc), give people an uplifting reading based on that and not much more. Try to avoid letting them ask questions. There was this guy in Belgium who had learned how to read Tarot cards and thought he'd make some extra money by reading cards for a psychic hotline. He was expecting things like teenage girls asking about boyfriends and that sort of thing. His very first caller asked if her husband should continue his chemotherapy or not. The man quit doing readings right then and there. I don't know about you, but I for one don't even want to skirt around questions like that. Better try to avoid them all together.
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2674 Posts
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'I don't know'
I have no idea why people think that the moment you even mention the fact you do readings that you have the ultimate answer to everything 'I'm not comfortable answering that question' also works. As does 'consult your GP' or 'you should seek professional advice'. honesty honesty honesty - not that hard really NOW here's the other thing - what if you give a reading to the lady with the dilemma, but she doesn't ask the question and keeps it 'secret' - so only she knows what the reading is 'really about' Whether someone asks a question or not, only they know truly the connections they themselves are creating with what you say and what is happening in their own lives - you can never truly know |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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As others said, readings can be deadly.
The other day, despite a gazillion disclaimers (dodges MC cabbage throwers), with a slight warm reading and doing a variation of dark memory by ol' Bascome, a group of high school students who claimed they believed none of this "crap" all started asking to have their palms read, demanding it in excitement, and one even asked if I was a prophet.... yeah, they were all devout.... I was doing some simulations to demo psychiatric things... and still, this occurred. I felt compelled to explain to them in detail regarding the fact I was not a prophet or anything mystical... despite as mentioned, a gazillion warnings, framings, disclaimers and whatever.... Even after years of doing this, I am surprised how dangerous this stuff is when done on vulnerable people.... I think I might go back to do gambling demos.
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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On 2010-07-27 02:30, alpha alex wrote: You assume a lot without ever having met me.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts
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@ Baboum: well, discussing is for me more a sort of straight pro and contra talk about an issue. active listening is more a sort of 1 person talks and the other inquires the statements at some points. but you said something similar with your own words..
@ alpha alex: "you should never guide people in making any decision.. who the hell are you?" - there are peoples who do not like to go to a psychologist. you really want that these people should not have the choise to go to a person they like to mention their problems to? that is not what I understand about freedom of choise for each individual. 1 more question to you: you never had a client cry when he/she talked about his/her experience or when you made a request related to the experience? |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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Just for the record, I don't go into the Cold Reading (or any Mentalism) to make anyone cry...
It happens from time to time, hence the question here... I'm sometime surprised by it. It is not a target of my performance. "Guiding people" is about giving them permission to find their own answers. I actually gently guide them to find Professional help if the situation seems right... I actually guide them to my Hypnotherapist Trainer (the one I trained under)... alpha alex, if you had asked POLITELY what my background was, I would've mentioned these facts. For you to come out and attack me on an open Forum like this shows me what kind of person you are... Asking me "who the hell are you?" deserves this retort... "Who the hell are you?" to ask me that? Sheeshh... Get off of your high horse already...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts
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@ Pakar Ilusi: agree with your points. just to clarify that: I wrote in a post before " from my point of view the reader has the role of a lifestyle-advisor. it is up to him to give advice so people have more opportunitys they dare to think of. ". so if a person shows up that has not some probs with their lifestyle but with their psychical healths the advice would be to go to a psychologist/psychiarist. getting this advice from someone who is a sort of authority in the eyes of the sitter may increase the chance that the sitter really goes to such a person. at least I would tell them of course that it should be someone who has its inner balance. sometimes it is easy to recognize that a psychological adviser does not have this. not the best situation to help others, right?
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james1a Loyal user 209 Posts
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Alpha alex:
I see you are a psychologyst, could you let me know which therapeutic paradigm you use when counselling clients? james1a |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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Ok... this isn't going to devolve into "Its fiddler crab season!!!" is it?
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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magicFreak2 Inner circle 1220 Posts
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On 2010-07-26 09:42, Tony Iacoviello wrote: That would be me...  Getting there though.  Last summer I said that cold reading... Cough cough, never mind... Much more inline thanks to Julian's excellent book, James Bond Classic Reading.
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ALEXANDRE Inner circle 3024 Posts
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On 2010-07-26 19:05, mindpunisher wrote: If you were to truly disassociate from "lunatics" then you'd be hard pressed to find any career, because clearly there are "lunatic" lawyers, doctors, politicians, police officers, car mechanics, salespeople, scientists, hypnotists, teachers, psychologists, magicians, mentalists, clowns, and on and on. A reader like that hurts herself, who is going to recommend her? "Hey, Marge, I went to this great psychic the other day, here's her card, you've got to try her, she told me my husband was going to have an affair within the next two years and suggested I leave the cheater now! She's great!" You didn't "overhear" what she told the reader before that. Maybe she told the reader that her husband had cheated on her three times already and after an argument about the third affair, he hit her. Her "advice" doesn't sound so bad now. He will cheat again. Leave him now. Every friend of hers would suggest the same thing. A psychologist would probably suggest the same thing. Were you able to get the whole context of the reading? Or were you walking around the psychic fair hearing select bits and pieces of people's readings? I know readers, the ones I know are beautiful people, and your limited view does a disservice to the general community. It's like distancing yourself from the field of magic because some magicians/mentalists like to bad-mouth, back-stab, and expose the hard work of other magicians/mentalists. As far as people crying during readings. It happens all the time. Heck, it even happens in magic. Pay attention to the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNl7NisvQjY
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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Alexandre, thanks for that clip! It is great to watch a master at work.
And he knows its not magic or mentalism per se... its about mystery!!!!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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On 2010-07-27 12:15, ALEXANDRE wrote: The reader I mentioned was very popular and toured the whole of the country and made a reasonable living with his wife. They were both readers. Both equally looney. With the greatest respect I don't think you can put psychics in the same catagory as any of the professions you name above. These two were not rare in the fayres I hang around with for a while. They were the norm. Totally believing in their powers and barking mad. Most of the shut eyes Ive met over the years are the same. I have a problem with the whole reading thing at psychic fayres. A large number of the sitters come with serious problems and are quite poor. It is just not in my character to fleece them of their money when some kind of therappy is what they really need. I don't see readings as something I want to be involved it doesn't fit with my personal values. Everybody to their own though. I don't see anything wrong with readings that are for fun and the sitters know this. I am making no judgement on those that choose to do readings. They simply aren't for me. And by the way I heard all of the reading I remember the sitter told they had been married for less than a year. She said NOTHING ELSE about being mistreated. I had a reading by his wife a sort of interview if you like. I shut up and didn't say anything and she ouldn't do a reading. All she kept going on about was I had a problem with sex. Then waiting to see what my response would be. Of course I could'e responded in at leat a dozen different ways. I then was asked to give her a reading. I remember by the look on her face I had a number of hits just using a simple tarot system. She then pointed to one of the cards and told me she had been abused by an uncle and asked me why I had missed that since it was obvious because of one of the cards. I also once while doing a house party was asked to give some advice to an old lady who had lost her husband. She continuously returned to psychics for comfort who kept getting her to return. She was attending sceances and spiritual meetings and was feeling worse for it. I gave her advice which I will never know if she took. But It made it clear to me that this wasn't a place where I wanted to be. Again I make no judgements on those that go to see spritualists I don't believe in psychic bashing. I don't see it as my responsability. Only that I know its not for me. |
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Mike Baxter New user Vancouver, B.C. 87 Posts
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On 2010-07-27 02:30, alpha alex wrote: **IF** you are going to do any form of DEAD or ALIVE test, I suggest that you always request the subject think of a dead person who brings them joyful and happy memories. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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There are one or too people who bring me joy because they are dead does that count?
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts
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On 2010-07-28 08:36, mindpunisher wrote: lol - that is cool.. |
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