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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
And just cos some little **** has tried to expose the method, should we even bother discussing it here, out in the open?
you may not find him entertaining or whatever else, but you can't deny he and the team around him are talented, creative (and from what I hear) genuinely nice people... pretty sure that's to be commended, last time I checked...
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The Mac Inner circle 1982 Posts |
Yes Iain much agreed but surely you can see the there is room for us to discuss the use of hypnosis as pre-show, or stooging device.
On the othe rhand, Criss Angel gets crucified on this board for using stooges and editing so its only fair that Derren Brown receives the same scrutiny. Also what about Derren Brown debunking psychics etc, this poster debunked Derren (supposedly) |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
The debunking is another (non-hypno issue), I just mean clawing apart a specific performer's work doesn't sit too easy with me...
and yeah, of course, discuss whatever hypno-style things you wanna - none of my business...just as long as its not in conjunction with someone else's effects/presentations...
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Owen Mc Ginty Special user not a stupid user, a special user. 533 Posts |
When Derren "debunks" psychics, he proves he can reproduce their "abilities" using techniques that can be learned. The volunteer here just makes claims, no demonstration, no entertainment.
My earlier post explains how it "might" be done - but however it´s done, I don´t think Derren should be put under a microscope. I find his work highly entertaining, and to be perfectly honest I´m only here in the forum thanks to a chain of events that was sparked off by reading a book of his. I mean, we´re all lying to some extent, nobody reads minds, nobody can make something vanish into thin air etc etc. Maybe Derren misleads us regarding his methods, but then isn´t that part of the "magicians code" ? (mentalism being a specialised branch of magic).
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Anansi Regular user 195 Posts |
OOh. Sounds like someone didn't get what they wanted or like their free lunch (dinner, I know, but it didn't sound so good- 'there's no such thing as a free dinner'-see).
It occurs to me, that anyone with a dash of vim and a sprinkle of focus could actually research what the esteemed Snr. Brown does and (gasp) FIND OUT! There are interviews, critiques in newspapers and lots of forums that either expose or point towards method. I hear tell that there are even some books.... Perhaps there is an element of the public that enjoy the mystery and actually don't want (or cannot be bothered) to find out. It may account for why there are a lot of working mystery entertainers, that, or group hypnosis. I can see it: DB: 'and as you drop in to that lovely trance state, you become ten times more relaxed, and as you relax, picture the numbers 1,2,3 and 5 disappearing, fading from your memory, from your mind' Later on at home: 'D'ya wanna watch some telly love?' 'Yeah OK' 'What Channel?' 'Er...er.....4'.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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My earlier post explains how it "might" be done - but however it´s done, I don´t think Derren should be put under a microscope. I find his work highly entertaining, and to be perfectly honest I´m only here in the forum thanks to a chain of events that was sparked off by reading a book of his. I dunno I like Derren's earlier work his first two series to be exact. After that I lost interest. His latest offerings debunking psychics I found to be really boring and unpleasant and definitely not entertaining. I don't think he can complain if someone does the same to him. I personally wouldn't want to see it happen widespread since I think it hurts everybody. Then again it may increase the popularity of hypnosis. Which I think is the natural next step anyway. We have had a few really good years with the public interested in mentalism. I believe that interest will move to hypnosis pretty soon. And we will see a major resurgence of hypnosis in this country. I know its happening already. It's about bloody time too. |
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
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On 2010-07-28 10:49, Owen Mc Ginty wrote: Probably - and it's only a guess on my part - he does not know now about imp devices, CT, or IT... It's only that now - if that is the true report of how the facts went - he knows NLP and other psycho-babble are not what is really used. But then, who cares? Personally I'm with Bobser and Brian... Derren exposed would be a fun series to watch!
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Anansi Regular user 195 Posts |
The Naked Mentalist.
Have a close look and see if you can see his 'Tip' Absolutely sans editing!
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
I don't know why some people are so anti Derren Brown and out to get him at any cost. They then say he cons people - Doh! Really? So do magicians!
When I do a double lift and say that the top card is the Ace of spades, I am in fact lying my head off. I have to as unfortunately I wasn't born with super powers. At the start of EVERY Derren Brown show he clearly states he has no special powers and will be using NLP, HYPNOSIS, Magic and showmanship. I think that covers everything! He is not going to tell people the secret he is using at any time just in the same way a magician won't be telling you the secret behind what he just did. I expect and have seen this witch hunt against Derren Brown by lay people of other site in their desperate attempt attack him and make themselves look big, but I didn't ever expect to see it on a magic site. We are in the con business: That is what we do!
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I don't see anybody attacking Derren here. Or anyone here out to get him at any cost? Are we in the same forum? The lay person in the post seems like he is out to get him. But then Derren has been out to get others for self gain.
Personally I couldn't care either way. |
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RSD Special user Toronto, Ontario 534 Posts |
Its funny to think that people could beleive that its hypnosis that accomplishes these tricks.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Tricks like being invisible, handing over your wallet or going into trance after picking up a phone...gee you must be mad to think its hypnosis.
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Engali Elite user 435 Posts |
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On 2010-07-30 12:49, Shrubsole wrote: He actually never says he uses NLP or hypnosis. He says he uses psychology, suggestion, magic, and showmanship. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
But his original character to a great extent was modelled on Bandler. He sounded like him and even used Bandlers trade mark handshake induction in his presentations. He has also used terminology that is normally associated with NLP to explain his effects.
Derren knew what he was doing especially in those early days when NLP had just become very big. Plus the disclaimer above never came until later. He left the audience believing he was real. Very clever indeed. @He fooled the majority of the magic and even mentalist community. I don't have a problem with that. That was for me his best period. True genuis from the team. |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Nobody's attacking DB. The fact that so many people are responding show that he's doing a tremendous job and getting a great response.
What I'm laughing at is the people convinced that he MUST be doing NLP or MUST being doing hypnosis even though they know little or nothing about either. Then there are the hypnotists and NLPers who just know he MUST be doing hypnosis or NLP but can't quite do the same thing. Of course the fact that they know nothing about mentalism might have something to do with their incapability. I'm also laughing at people who take FOAF stories seriously. Sorry. It just doesn't hold up. Kudos to DB who keeps 'em guessing. Great job when you can fool the foolers. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Of course he uses hypnosis just like he uses other mentalism techniques. he also occasionally uses stooges.
Unless of course were all wrong and he actually reads minds.Are you now telling us a co0mplete stranger walking past a ringing telephone box answers it and goes into trance without any pre hypnosis? Or another person sees Derren become invisible? Have you even seen those episodes? |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
For those who so desperately want to believe, no reasonable explanation will ever be enough.
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The Mac Inner circle 1982 Posts |
My "boyfriend" comment wasnt at all homophobic. it was in reference to the 2 posts that came before it. What is homophobic about the comment anyhow?
In Derren's disclaimer hypnosis is not mentioned. If laymen are discussing it in an open forum surely its permissible for us to look at what they say. Unless its more agreeble to think that laymen don't talk about our methods. Just Asking. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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Unless its more agreeble to think that laymen don't talk about our methods. Many laymen are more knowledgeable than we care to think these days. Of course we don't know exactly for sure how Derren's show is set up. But the description in the original post would definitely achieve the outcomes and is probably likely to be true especially for many of the effects that appear to be hypnosis. |
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T,im Dawson Loyal user 216 Posts |
Regarding the phone box, which initially had me puzzled, I soon realised how this could be achieved without a stooge, hypnosis, or any pre-work whatsoever and with a complete stranger. It really is just a little lateral thinking!!!
You don't need hypnosis. |
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