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I love this thread. Here's a question:

Does anyone think it wrong, unethical, misleading, etc. for a "magician" (lacking large scale illusions but still performing impossible magic) to call himself an "illusionist"? Should only those who have large scale illusions be allowed to call themselves illusionists? Magicians may know the difference, but not everyone in the general public may. Perhaps bookers and agents might.
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I do not think so Dave. I believe the terms "magician" and "illusionist" can ethically be interchangeable...to a degree.

Magicians can also make illusions with ordinary objects in a close-up setting. Let's not forget what the word "illusion" really means in its basic definition. It's not just for large-scale props, devices, boxes, etc.

Even the age-old finger/thumb removal is indeed, an "illusion".

I still am holding my ground that I believe the word "illusionist" has a lot more prestige to it than "magician". It's been working VERY well for me. But I also do perform stage illusions as well as stand-up shows and close-up acts.

Just my 2 cents, guys.

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On 2010-09-09 18:41, Close.Up.Dave wrote:
I love this thread. Here's a question:

Does anyone think it wrong, unethical, misleading, etc. for a "magician" (lacking large scale illusions but still performing impossible magic) to call himself an "illusionist"? Should only those who have large scale illusions be allowed to call themselves illusionists? Magicians may know the difference, but not everyone in the general public may. Perhaps bookers and agents might.
...Should be allowed...? Whose permission do you need to be "allowed?" Whether you use Magician or Illusionist or some other title as long as there is no intent to defraud the use of any such title is strictly up to the individual in my opinion.
If you can't make a choice why do so? So and So Master Illusionist, magician, mentalist etc. seems like it might work..
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Illusion and magic is the same, if it was possible to achieve the impossible by genuine powers then it wouldn’t be impossible and therefore it wouldn’t be magic. That’s why magic is an art; the art of creating the illusion of the impossible.
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On 2010-07-30 06:35, Scott Burton wrote:
"Magicians" are always going to have a tough time earning respect and high dollars. Why? Since we are kids, we are taught (in cartoons and popular culture) that magicians are bumbling buffoons who perform at birthday parties to the ridicule of our audiences. Who would pay a good dollar for someone like that?

Try this: don't title yourself. Why can't you just be your name? Why can't you just be who you are and leave it as that? After all, even if they try their hardest, no one I compete with will ever be able to be a "Scott Burton". You then become one-of-a-kind and irreplaceable. When they want a "Scott Burton", they have no choice but to come to me. "Magicians" can be found everywhere and can be price-shopped.

Titles don't help us much anyway (they just open us up to value judgments based on a person's previous experiences). There are better ways to communicate the value we bring to a client.


Soooo, Scott...like...what do you do, man? Do you sing; you got a band?
Are ya' a comedian; like ya' do stand-up?
What am I payin' for here? Whaddya do, man?
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On 2010-07-30 06:35, Scott Burton wrote:
"Magicians" are always going to have a tough time earning respect and high dollars. Why? Since we are kids, we are taught (in cartoons and popular culture) that magicians are bumbling buffoons who perform at birthday parties to the ridicule of our audiences. Who would pay a good dollar for someone like that?

Try this: don't title yourself. Why can't you just be your name? Why can't you just be who you are and leave it as that? After all, even if they try their hardest, no one I compete with will ever be able to be a "Scott Burton". You then become one-of-a-kind and irreplaceable. When they want a "Scott Burton", they have no choice but to come to me. "Magicians" can be found everywhere and can be price-shopped.

Titles don't help us much anyway (they just open us up to value judgments based on a person's previous experiences). There are better ways to communicate the value we bring to a client.


Soooo, Scott...like...what do you do, man? Do you sing; you got a band?
Are ya' a comedian; like ya' do stand-up?
What am I payin' for here? Whaddya do, man?


I see the point of your comment, but I think you missed the point of his. He is saying one should aim to be a brand name versus generic. Everyone knows David Copperfield is the number one name in stage magic. However, not many people are aware of what type of shows the local guys in the yellow pages offer. It sounds like Scott aims to be viewed as a brand name in corporate entertainment versus the guy the agency sent over.
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Having the word Magic in our company name or magician as our title really has not been an issue other than when it comes to me without my son Matthew by my side. It is still very difficult to be taken seriously as a female magician. It is not even just with me. Matthew and I had to hand over a gig that we could not take due to a family emergency and the only replacement we could find that was available was a young woman who has won many awards in the magic community including the World Magic Seminar and FISM. It took Matthew a lot of convincing the client to get them to give her a chance. Of course she did an awesome job and they were very happy with her in the end, but the point is they just couldn't "imagine a lady magician".
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