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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
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On 2010-08-04 21:44, msmaster wrote: No, I'm still disapointed. I think AGT is beneath Murray. And, it was disapointing to hear Murray lie about his career.
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
Am I the only one that's grown tired of "here's a box, here's a girl, let's cover the box, now the girl is gone?" It just doesn't feel original to me. Certainly it's impressive, and maybe it's just because I've watched so much magic that I've become numb to it, but as soon as he uncovered the box, I knew what was going to happen. When there's no element of surprise, it takes away a lot of the fun for me. It's like knowing how a movie is going to end before it's even started - as soon as you see the case you can already guess what the conclusion will be.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
To win a million bucks, you "play the game". Murray's playing the game. He might win a million bucks. End of story...
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Simply put...I like him, he's good for the show, the general public likes him, he's the kind of act that could and would play well in Vegas, and it would be nice to see him win, for him as well as magic. The problem is the voting public may prefer another type of act (young male singer, the female adult singer that is the mother of Precious, or that Blue Man Group-type of performance art). Best of luck Murray!
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
The show was intended to give opportunities to talented amateurs and unknown performers, not for those who are seasoned pro's who have already performed Vegas.
Top prize is a million dollars, payed out in a span of 40 years which works out to twenty-five grand a year. He also gets a contract to play in Vegas if he should win. Murray is a seasoned vet, and even though I enjoy watching him perform, he doesn't belong on a talent show. Especially one that is highly rumored as being rigged. I'm pretty sure the judges, producers, and anyone who works on the show knows he is a seasoned vet. Whose next on AGT? McBride? Max Maven? Osterland? In my opinion it just takes even more credabilaty away from the show when you see a seasoned pro who has already performed in Vegas appear on the show. Not really fair for the other competetor's who auditioned that are talented amatuers looking for their first real break. Will I stop watching it? Of course not. I rarely get a chance to see real magicians perform on t.v, and it's refreshing to watch one who doesn't use camera tricks and special effects. I was one who believed that AGT was legit. And, although I'm sure Murray has his reasons for auditioning for AGT, it has further proved to me that AGT is not a legit talent competition to give amatuers and unknown performers a stage to spring board their career.
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msmaster Special user 522 Posts |
Disappointing as it may be to some, AGT is a show, like all tv shows, intended to get ratings, nothing more, nothing less. It is a show, like in the word showbusiness, it is not the Olympics or a spelling bee, just mindless tv fare.
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
Dan,
I'm going to disagree with you on some points. First, I would venture to say that many here on the Café had never heard of Murray before his appearance on AGT and we're magicians. I only heard of him a few months ago when I was doing research on one of Andrew Mayne's illusions and stumbled upon him. As for McBride, Maven and Osterlind I see no problem with them being on the show either. I would bet if you asked 100 lay people, less than a handful would even know who they are. One of the guys on the show, an acrobat, was a professional performer in a circus. Should he not be allowed to compete either? At what point do you draw that line between "unknown" and "known" performers? Back to Murray, I'm sure he does have his reasons. I can think of quite a few. He's building up a fan base by being on one of the highest watched shows in the country. You'll probably see him end up on Leno or Letterman as well as in other national TV spots. He's making himself a household name. He'll get more offers in the upcoming weeks than he's probably had in the last 5 years. Good for him! Most importantly he's performing great magic in front of a huge nation wide audience and that's something that doesn't happen a lot. |
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msmaster Special user 522 Posts |
When it comes to contests I think AGT is an elaborate form of professional wrestling. Some believe it is entertainment, some believe it is an authentic contest. Either way a lot of people watch and that's what is truly intended.
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Being that I am also a person who thinks that professional atheletes shouldn't particapate in the Olympics, I also hold true that any performer who performs fulltime for a living, has played big venues like Vegas, has been on national television, and travels extensively performing shouldn't be allowed on AGT, no less lie and pretend that they haven't.
Call me gullible, but I thought and believed that AGT was a legit talent contest to help the amatuer performers get their foot in the door, get some exposure and recognition, as well as aiming to make it entertaining to attract viewers and sell advertising. Wasn't that the whole point of having the audience vote? So that the audience chooses who stays, and who goes? To make it real? I'm now convinced that the audience voting has little influence to the outcome of a performer. I guess I'm just feeling disapointed. Not the end of the world.
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
Those "votes" only go so far. Having worked on this show in the past, I can tell you that "live" television is never really live, so the whole voting process gets the audience involved and makes them feel like they're a part of the show. The closest to live television out there is the evening news. Real people are only entertaining to a point...without some sprucing up on the part of the producers, ratings would plummet. Ever wonder why the Pendragons appeared on AGT a few seasons back? They've performed for Presidents and royalty. They didn't need a televised talent show to make it big ; the show needed them.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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markmiller Special user 731 Posts |
Andrewzuber you are a buzzkill. First I hear there's no toothfairy, Easterbunny, or Santa, and now this sobering post from a man who actually worked on AGT. I think I'm going to shoot myself. AAAAHHHHH!!!
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michaangelo Regular user 184 Posts |
I enjoyed the reference to McBride and Maven appearing next on AGT... It reminded me of Murray, McBride and Maven's last television team-up CELEBRACADABRA...
I say bravo for any magician getting time on a major network, I am just offended by the manipulation the producers pull on all of us... It certainly makes me wonder about the other types of acts and the validity of their amateur status... We know magic, so we know Murray is a seasoned pro who performs at the highest level (as would anyone who watched the VH1 show he starred in along with Silly Billy, David Regal, Simon Lovell, and many other excellent magicians...) I actually have the issue of Linking Ring with him on the cover in my briefcase as we speak... I also appreciated folks who know Murray kicking in that he is a great guy and I will reconsider my previous asumption that he is pompous and arrogant... again, he is probably a victim of editing and "producer manipulation." Heck, for a million dollars and a vegas show, I might throw on a chicken suit and sing the national anthem... |
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markmiller Special user 731 Posts |
Does AGT ever say contestants must be of amateur status? I know for a fact previous winner Terry Fator is a life long full time working pro.
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
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On 2010-08-05 17:48, Gospel Dan wrote: Dan, I disagree with you on the Olympic thing, too but I understand and respect your opinion. |
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markmiller Special user 731 Posts |
Without having pro acts you would have the Gong Show, in fact, come to think of it, I'm pretty sure even the Gong Show spiced things up with a few pros.
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magicnewswire Inner circle 1947 Posts |
For anyone interested, here is a list of the interviews that I have done with previous AGT contestants:
Kevin James Nathan Burton Nathan Burton 2 Drew Thomas Jay Mattioli Constantine & KC Murray Sawchuck |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On 2010-08-05 12:41, Gospel Dan wrote: I think that is your assumption and not the producers mission statement. I'm not an expert on the history of AGT but I believe that most, if not all, the previous winners of the USA version have been relatively unknown, and perhaps not complete amateurs but certainly not all that successful in their performing careers. So while I may agree with some of your feelings about the show to a certain extent, your comments about the show are incorrect IMO. Many of the contestants do talk about being lifelong performers, etc. There is no rule that they can never have been paid to perform. Furthermore, appearing in Vegas is a far cry from having made it in Vegas. I think Murray obviously believes he hasn't made it to the extent he would like to, which is the reason for his appearing on the show. No one would claim that he's on the top rung of the show business ladder (including Murray himself I'm sure). So I think his comments about desiring more success are legitimate and valid. I will admit that they may be a tiny bit misleading to the audience but as others have said you have to play the game the show wants and Murray is doing that. Do you think every back story on the show is the COMPLETE and EXACT truth? Of course not. Granted, he may be more successful in his career than many of the other contestants but I don't think that should disqualify him from competing on it. He picked a wonderful routine and nailed it. I'm proud of him and wish him continued success. It may be hard to top though, and when a magician "disappoints" the judges they usually rake them through the coals. But I have confidence Murray can pull it off. I look forward to his next performance on the show. Bill |
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Powermagic Inner circle 1437 Posts |
What is this Spelling B line you like to use? The show is sold to the audience as a competition and they believe it. They THINK their votes matter. If they new the truth they would be angry that their votes do not matter.
Lay people would still view it as entertainment but would not be as invested in it if they thought their vote did not matter. Since it does not they should scrap the idea of it and stop misleading folk. But then I am sure you are just fine with someone bringing in a wringer in a local sports game since then, sports are just entertainment. So bringing in a pro to play against no pros is just fine by the logic you have. I suggest you rethink you position. Padding the show with fake contestants is wrong. Just bring them on the show without making them lie that they have not made it yet. Quote:
On 2010-08-04 16:30, msmaster wrote: |
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Powermagic Inner circle 1437 Posts |
That is NOT the point here. I agree that one does not have to be unknown or an amateur. HOWEVER the show itself claims to want diamonds in the rough.
What the real ethical action is that the two magicians both fibbed about their status and success level. The quotes they make in their interviews would have you believe they are amateurs struggling along. There is no need for these lies. Quote:
On 2010-08-05 19:04, markmiller wrote: |
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markmiller Special user 731 Posts |
Murray or Restivo saying the show "...could be my big break" or "...that my dream is to headline in Vegas" do not constitute lies. Do you think because Murray works on cruise ships he is at the pinacle of success as a magician? Exactly what status and success level would you measure a cruise worker at? And what does it matter?
If you were a former hotdog vendor turned magician what's wrong with including that in your bio? If your family was in railroads and you broke tradition to do magic what's wrong with saying so? Nothing unethical here. Why do you keep trying to spoil and taint the good work of others. A couple of guys finally make magic look decent on some lame TV show and all you can do is complain over and over? Maybe it would be best to work on your own show than badmouth hardworking guys who are trying to make something of themselves in a competitive industry. Morals? Ethics? As a magician you should be ashamed of yourself. How about a little support for magic and quit being a cry baby when there's no spilled milk. |
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