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Paradox
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Thanks for the Eliza reference.
Unfortunately, Eliza is not practicing Rogerian therapy (more properly called "Client-Centered" or "Nondirective" therapy).
She is a parody of it.
Many people over the years have completely misunderstood what Rogerian therapy is all about and any number of parodies and useless imitations have appeared. A lot of people feel that Rogerian therapy merely parrots what the client says to you, the therapist. Not so. One of the most basic things a Rogerian therapist does is try to REFLECT THE FEELING the client is expressing, NOT the content.
You simply don't repeat back to them what they say to you. You DO try to grasp the FEELING the client is expressing and you try to CLARIFY that feeling. If you do this properly, in a nonthreatening situation, the client experiences insight into his/her problem and consequently gets better.
Rogers was one of the first, if not the first, psychotherapist to measure the results of his approach statistically. He was also the first to RECORD sessions so they could be studied later.
I wrote a Yellow Sheet for Bascom on Client-Centered Therapy some years back & I've been thinking about expanding it into a book specifically for readers. The late T.A.Waters, in a personal communication, said that my Yellow Sheet was one of the best things ever to appear in MAGICK, so perhaps the time has come....
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Carl Rogers and a friend went duck hunting one day. After sitting there for hours a lone duck flew over head. Both shot at the duck at the same time. As the duck fell Rogers looked at his friend and said "You feel it's your duck!"
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Thanks, Crouter, for reminding me of the famous Rogers Duck Story. I first heard it on some tapes of the famous meeting between Rogers & B.F.Skinner. I think it was Skinner who told the story.
I am encouraged to finish cranking out The Rogerian Reader--name subject to change without notice.
Rogers' stuff seems deceptively simple. One basic idea is actually expressed in the Skinner joke, "You feel---". Yet it takes a lot of practice to get it right.
A key element seems to be the therapist's (or reader's) sincere conviction that the client has the answer within him/her. You can't really be a heavy, authoritative type, and do Rogers successfully. That's why so many therapists failed when they "tried" Rogers. They felt THEY had the answers, so they "tried" Rogers just for what they considered "light" cases, but went straight back to heavy-handed directiveness when the going got rough.
By the way, even though I got a lot of positive feedback on the Bonus Insert, Bascom distorted it a bit in editing. Therefore, one of my new tasks (if it ever comes out!) will be to try and explain it as simply & directly as possible, and give examples and practice scenarios you can use to develop your own approach.
Whew! Another overlong post! Thanks again for all your kind words. I started expanding it a couple of months back & your input has given me incentive to get back to it.
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Hi,

Just one more vote for Tradecraft. I purchased it last week and was rather impressed. Some of the ideas were new and may well add to my skills.

Stan Smile
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I just purchased the Tradecraft Coldreading manuscript also and I felt it was really worth its price. Chapter 2 really had an impressive breakdown of psychological profile types and the rest of the book had statistical information I had never seen so concisely put together before. I don't have any other books on coldreading either so I don't know how it compares to others.

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