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Magic Geek has demos for all of their products performed by one of their staff members. This certain person is usually quite funny and does effects well. I was thinking about getting Daryl's 3 Fly III so I looked at the performance and just by watching the performance I saw the method...



http://www.magicgeek.com/3-fly-iii-2070.html
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The truth is that allot of magic is like this. Should you decide to watch the demo close enough or enough times you may discover the method. that's why allot of magicians who sell effects don't like to have demo videos or if they do heavily edit the videos to eliminate the chance of the work being shown. should you decide to perform this effect the ethical thing to do would be to buy the effect anyway. You may be surprised to find that the method you thought was not employed at all or at least there may be an alternate handling that's worth the price. Magic is not about method its about the interlude between performer and spectator. to quote an article I recently read and posted here
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I've seen some of the Magic Geek videos on Youtube and been underwhelemed by his presentations. He struck me as too self-aware. The flourishes to me came off as "now I'm being a magician" rather then being natural.

His 3 fly presentation is actually better then some of his others, IMO.
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I haven't ordered from Magic Geek (YET), but I have found their demos valuable when looking up a new effect I've heard about.
I like humour of the guy's presentations.
And you have to admit. It's a lot better than most YouTuber 'presentations'.
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Yes. Definitely. I love the dude and he is usually great. But that permission kind of surprised me. And of course he is hilarious.
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It's a lot better than most YouTuber 'presentations'.


I think this is called 'damning with faint praise" Smile
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In the right hands, this could be a GREAT effect. I try to stay away from GAFFS, if I can. I don't do Three Fly, but do a Coins Across with four Ike Dollar coins, using different sleights each time. Gaffs DO have their place, though.

I'd like to see Daryl's performance. I'll look. If I find it, I'll post it here. Yep, found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YWP1pdYkSw

Much better. I just wish you could watch YouTube in higher resolution. Blurry as all heck.

And, I like that Magic Geek site. Really good stuff there.

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I have to agree it is a great website.
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I love the misdirection move, "Look! An elephant!"
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I couldn't stop laughing after that hahaha
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I agree with Cyberqat about being underwhelmed by magic geek presentations

It' not easy to pick up every effect that comes around and do it for a video but ..... ennn


Also it seems magic geek sell every and anything,
a really good shop will only sell the best quality products they can
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Agree with Vick and Cy- if these were demonstrations in a B&M shop, I would probably not buy. Some are reasonably good but others are on the edge of exposure and the presentations leave much to be desired...
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Very educational video´s…

How NOT to present your effects!
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A positive way to look at it
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On 2010-08-14 13:33, Vick wrote:
I agree with Cyberqat about being underwhelmed by magic geek presentations


me too! a good video can sell a trick (or stop any sales)

I would like to ask a question here, it was mentioned previously that if you like a trick and work it out, buy it afterwards. This has happened to me a number of times and I feel pretty pleased with myself about it when it does. I don't think, oh I must buy this now. Anyway, the question is about performing other people's material, be it from watching a performance or from an instructional book/DVD, am I allowed to perform this and make money off the performances legally? One point is that given the art is that of mystery, perhaps I have come up with my own effect to reach the same results. I think yes as long as I don't pass the work off as my own, but what do you guys think?

Also in response to the working out of a trick from a performance, if I work out a song by ear I don't rush out and buy the sheet music.
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I think that if you look at an effect, and think you know the method, you should credit AT LEAST the idea to the original creator because like you stated, it might be a whole different method. Just my opinion.
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I don't feel compelled to buy something just because I've figured out how it works. In some cases, I'll even build my own depending on the cost and other factors.
My personal paint-ball catch for instance, which was inspired Bob Kohler's original terrific idea.

My limit is either exposing or selling my version. if it was an idea I got by looking at something professional and saying to myself "oh, that's clever, I bet if i..." then AFAIAC it is a "derivative work" and not mine to sell or give away at least until the original is gone from the market.

Now that's ethics. As far as the law goes, that's another matter.

In terms of copyright, a copyright is accrued when an original creative work is fixed in a tangible medium. So if you just watch someone perform and pick up ideas you use, legally that's fine. Even if you have a photographic memory and repeat the performance word for word, that's fine.

BUT if you record it or write it down orin any other external way make it "permanent", it becomes copyrighted to the original performer.

P.S. I am not a lawyer and the above should not be construed as legal advice.
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If you have a problem with a particular video, contact them about it. They seem passionate about what they do.

I've watched dozens of their clips and I honestly haven't seen anything that I'd call exposure. On the other hand, Chris's exaggerated "geek" persona is hilarious. I love the "and now I am mysterious" expressions, the deliberately overblown dramatic gestures and the shifty, guilty expression he puts on at the end of some gaffed effects. Truly brilliant. I sat down and watched a whole bunch of their clips a while ago, just for the entertainment. There's normally something to make you chuckle, often something to make you laugh out loud.
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I enjoyed all of the vids I've seen. I think that what some previous posters are responding to might just as easily be consigned to "style". We don't all come across as a Copperfield, a Ballantine, or a Slydini. (Three of the most different examples I can think of!)

This guy’s shtick is Geek. And he's good at it. Smile
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He absolutely is talented and absolutely enjoyable. It just seems certain effects are not as polished as they should be in a magic demo...
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