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Tophie
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I am trying to develop a 2 chop cup routine and need inspiration. Does anyone know of a good source of an existing two cup routine?
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Gary Ouellet's Two Goblets available from Camirand:
http://www.camirandmagic.com/mm01_4.html

Uses one chop cup, it will definitely inspire you though.
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I can understand the want for perhaps a combo routine (like the GG.) Do you have a specific reason for wanting to develop this?
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Interestingly....you would run into a problem if you use a standard chop cup for your cups.
You would need to have them specially made if you want to put the balls on the saddle without suspicion if all the balls in the routine are chopped.
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I received two chop cups from a friend that are identical. I didn't know if there are any routines out there. I know of the Mendoza routine using on cup chopped, and there are several with two non chopped cups. Didn't know if there are two chop cup routines. I thought there might be interesting moves with both cups chopped.
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The key factor is whether you can dislodge the "Keep" in the hand without an obvious shake or slap. Think of the Chop Retention as a way of temporarily "Idling" a Ball until it is needed rather than just a clever reveal. Also play with secretly retaining a Ball in the hand with nornal cup movements. Each cup has its own characteristic, though some are adjustable. Play with your Cups to determine the Retention and Release limits. You may find that the Chop Retention actually hinders some moves.

Yes, I can suggest some routine ideas, but don't know enough ...
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Discussions like this really need to move into the secret sessions.
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I toyed around a lot with lots of variations along the lines Tophie is referring to.

The final product looks like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYmGnK4K9g

Those who know me, you don't have to look. It is another source of wacky cups and ball sequences.

I'd recommend NOT using multiple iterations of that gaff. It makes things very complicated very quickly. You actually limit the sequences you can perform with every gaff you add.

Whatever you do, don't use balls of different colors. It will make things even worse.

In all seriousness, The sequences the great Mendoza came up with are seminal. If you have not walked through his routine you're wasting your time. His stuff is without a doubt the very basis of multi-cup routines. If you don't read his stuff it's like working on a diagonal palm shift and not reading Erdnase.

There are many, many other sequences with the gaffus and multiple iterations of it. I found a new path by simply playing with multiples of everything. Find a new sequence and wow us all!

KG
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Tophie: This is one of the best aspects about magic. You have a great concept, now hole up in a room for a week and try different moves, different combinations. Two regular balls, one chop. Two chop, 1 regular ball. All three chopped. Who knows? Try it out, workshop it. Make it your own. Then if you want, come back and teach us in a couple years. Good luck!

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Mikame created a nesting two chop cup set a few years back. you might look into what routine they came up with for the prop.
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Erdnase?
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On 2010-08-12 10:31, Tophie wrote:
I am trying to develop a 2 chop cup routine and need inspiration. Does anyone know of a good source of an existing two cup routine?


I came very close to doing a version of the Ramsay routine with two of those nice mini chop cups that were produced back in the 1970s. I almost regret not taking that path.
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On 2010-08-15 00:32, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

I came very close to doing a version of the Ramsay routine with two of those nice mini chop cups that were produced back in the 1970s. I almost regret not taking that path.


Now that's an interesting idea!
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On 2010-08-13 11:22, Payne wrote:
Mikame created a nesting two chop cup set a few years back. you might look into what routine they came up with for the prop.


They are called "The M-Cylinders."
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