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danielguo
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Hi guys,

I been watching a lot of magician doing this trick.. expecially at japan and korea.. I was wondering is there any resourse of this kind of trick? where can I learn this??

I love this trick so much!!!

thanks guys!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p8oRjwSirg here is one magician perform it.
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This is a trick that is so old that it's becoming new again. It used to be a staple of a magic act back in the late 50's and through the 60's.

Your best resource is of course Rice's "Encyclopedia of Silk Magic". It shows several options.

Paul Diamond has a video on just using the one prop that makes this work (I think it was video one of his 11 video set).

Tony Anverdi wrote a nice little book "Reel Magic" and and Marconick notes and booklets shows the work with the necessary gizzmo and silks and rings (bracelets type) etc.

There are others.
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In "Blendo Ropes" from The Wizards' Journal #16 (on my site), Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki performs a variety of rope penetrations routined together, and by way of explaining a "rope through Rope" effect, uses the "Silk Through Rope" moves to teach how to do it. This is a sleight of hand method that does not require a reel. Oh, and you get a lot of other clever penetration effects in it as well.
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danielguo
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Thanks guys!!!


bascially.. I think what I know about this is no gimmick verson...

I do know how to tie a false knot... and not I get part of it..

well I will keep working on it ..

another advice??
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I know how to tie a false knot too, but not that good. I'll have to dig my Rice's encyclopedia out.
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I hate that I have to disagree with Harry Murphy, but the effect is called Dissolvo and is sold by Rice Silk king Studio. The effect is a not penetrating a rope. You can only get it here: http://www.silkkingmagic.com/Rice's%20Dis-solvo.htm

The 1st penetration he did was a very poor take on an old reeless version of the silk through rope.
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Any better version???

coz I seems to do this routine already. coz I have a lot of performance from friends and I saw a japan magician doing it . I learnit.

but for the 1st verson I still want do better.
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Get Ron Dalton's DVD or Columbini's Rope DVD that shows the sames moves -- actaully, get them both for amny unique rope effects.

Many Ring on Rope effects can be done with a silk tied in a loop.
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It is the same Dissolvo as in Rice Silk Encyclopedia Volume 2 (Page 562) but without the second knot and using an excellent presentation style for releasing the silk from the rope. The magician, Lee Jung-Min, is doing what we are always telling beginners to do- take the original effects, learn them well, and then vary them to make them "your own."

I know he is a beginner because the "poor take" penetration version Harry mentions was only because Lee did not take into account the viewpoint of the camera, but was performing only for the human eyes of the audience, which saw it from the correct angle and were amazed. If you are performing for TV, you need to practice a version that works for both the TV camera and the human audience; the angles are different for each. Otherwise, I think he did an excellent job.
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Thanks Funsway. Aldo credits me as his friend Ron Dayton on his DVD. Another version of the penetration. silk openly tied to rope. Ends of rope held one in each hand. Rope is flicked, and knotted silk jumps free up into the air where it is caught by the performer, A silk and large ring penetration is offered in my DVD
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Also in Tarbell...
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Yes, Tarbell 1 has Tommy Dowd's silk penetration (and many others) that looks like the last penetration in the video.

The Enc. of Rope Tricks has a similar version by Hideo Kato: Through Solid
There are some silk through arm effects in Wilson's complete course that could also probably accomplish this effect.

"Dissolvo" can also be found in Daryl's Expert Rope Magic Vol 3, or


I never saw someone use the method he did in the first penetration. There are other methods that won't have the "discrepancy":

Ungimmicked:
as in loop of string through neck (many kids books, but has the "discrepency"), or Abbott's Ribbonifty (Ency of Rope Tricks, no discrepency, but I'm not sure if it will work well to penetrate a rope)

minimally gimmicked:
The Penetrative Silk (Tarbel 4, or Abbott's hankerchief & rope penetration in Ency of Rope Tricks)


~High Tech gimmick:
as alluded to above, this can look cleaner, but it also costs more.

Get the Tarbell series, and Ency of Rope Tricks, and you will have a broad range of magic to perform.

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On 2010-08-18 15:23, Spellbinder wrote:
It is the same Dissolvo as in Rice Silk Encyclopedia Volume 2 (Page 562) but without the second knot ...


I think you should watch the video again, as he did tie 2 knotes on the rope.

The penetration at the beginning can be done without folding the silk in half. It is an old shoe string trick.
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DARN
I just bought the Rice's Encyclopedia set, and maybe I should have invested my money in Tarbell instead.

Tarbell
A set of volumes 1 thru 8 is going for $144 to $200 on EBAY. Do I want them all?
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Al being your are an experienced expert on magic, you do not need the Tarbell Course. The methods are old and the props are old, if you have really great vision to design new props, then maybe, but other wise save your money.

You will be to busy absorbing all the cool stuff in Rice's books. Did you get all 4 books? Read it slow and buy some of the dye tubes from Rice. I bought all 3 sizes, just in case.

There is so much great magic in those books, you wish you would have gotten them years ago.
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I do have all of the rope magic books, and DVD's, but I was afraid that I was missing something. I really do hate the new easy to use, no skill required childrens magic, and all of my tricks are of the classic magic variety.

Thank you for the heplful advise.
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Though I have the Tarbell Set in Books I also got the DVD set. It will fit on a 1Gig Jump drive you can carry with you to plug in any computer as you wander. I carry a Notebook computer to doctor's offices and such, but there is often a spare computer available if you ask.
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Al:

Tarbell is a great resource, it is not a kids set of books (it has many silk effects akin to what I posted). Somewhere someone posted that Lance Burton's tricks are greater than 75% based upon Tarbell.

The electronic versions of Tarbell are not the same as the books. Maybe 50% different! Both have good stuff, but I find reading a book sooooo much more enjoyable and useful.

I am considering getting Rice's works, but I would not consider that as an "either/or" in regard to Tarbell's. Yet, it does depend on what you are looking for, and how you get inspiration for new effects to add to your shows, and what you enjoy reading (Tarbell is very diverse)

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Let me make one thing clear, I have no problem with "kids books". They have some old methods that can be very useful. To wit, Dean's box.
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I never use kids material for my tricks. The tricks that I use all come from encyclopedia type books. I am the big kid that uses the adult magic.
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