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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
Federal election today and every Australian over 18 has to vote or face legal penalty (a small fine). In the past, non-Australians have told me it's
a) shocking to compel a citizen to do anything b) possibly not a bad idea c) a good idea d) a bad idea because it forces/allows 'idiots' to vote. Personally, I don't find it unreasonable to ask those who benefit from our form of government to participate in it once every 3 years. And, if you have philosophical objections to voting, you are not actually compelled to vote - you just have to show up, get your name ticked off and stuff a bit of unticked paper into a ballot box. Thoughts?
Escapemaster-in-chief from all sorts of houdingplaces - Finnegans Wake
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts |
I remember a short story in which a guy sees the cops coming for him and makes a break for it. After a grueling run, they catch him. And formally declare that he's been drafted to act as President of the United States for the next four years.
(Apparently, the concept was that they'd decided to determine who was best for political jobs and force them to take them rather than trust the people who actually wanted the position.)
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Good idea if the no-vote ballots were counted and if they were a plurality would force a new election with new candidates.
Do they tally the no-vote ballots there? Otherwise I think compulsory voting is a bad idea. As the saying goes, the lesser of two evils is evil.
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
Yes, they are counted, but they don't get included in final vote tally. Last election I think they were around 4% for the House of Reps, a bit less for the Senate.
The Reps have a preferential system of voting so sometimes candidates win on the primary vote being over 50% and sometimes by preferences from other candidates.
Escapemaster-in-chief from all sorts of houdingplaces - Finnegans Wake
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I'm not a fan of the idea, but if you're happy with it, more power to ya!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Olympic Adam Inner circle 1259 Posts |
I think it's a good idea
in my experience a lot of smart people don't vote, maybe now if they did they would get what they want! people don't vote sometimes because they don't want to vote for anyone, go and spoil the ballot. if the number of people who didn't vote spoiled the ballots, i.e. over 50% they might rethink who was running! also I think people can't complain about a government if they haven't voted (at least go and spoil the ballot) and also if the person was elected in the system they have set up.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts |
Good idea, except in this age of computer ballot fraud.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
No matter what idiot you vote for there today the Communist Green Party are going to be the king makers by all accounts, so you might as well not vote and go to jail because that’s where you are going anyway.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Nosher Loyal user 261 Posts |
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On 2010-08-21 12:37, gaddy wrote: No computers here gaddy. Paper, pencils and cardboard booths with no curtains or handles to pull.
Escapemaster-in-chief from all sorts of houdingplaces - Finnegans Wake
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21242 Posts |
Is not the whole point of having a "vote" to have a choice? It seems to go against the spirit of the very process to require it.
Have at it!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Brings in the 'goof vote' which are people who will vote for who they think will be the funniest if they win because they usually are the worse candidates.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Oh great a bunch of know nothings being forced to vote for people that they never heard of. That's a sure way to get the best candidates elected.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts |
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On 2010-08-21 09:16, landmark wrote: "Vote for Cthulu, when you're tired of the LESSER of two evils!" "When choosing between two evils, I try to go for the one I haven't tried yet!" - Oscar Wilde
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I'll not vote this next election because no one running deserves my vote here in Nevada.
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Remember that old saying "if you don't vote you can't witch". I look forward to casting my vote in the Pennsylvania senate race.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
If they let me vote no on everyone I would....
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Interesting election. As of last count, Labor has 70 seats, a possible Liberal-led coalition has 71 and four more are still being counted. Interesting times in Australia.
Personally, I like minority governments. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Well, until you have a socialist majority, eh?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21242 Posts |
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On 2010-08-21 21:12, MagicSanta wrote: Know nothings vote constantly Al. It is why we elect the people we do. But the beauty of America spacifically is that you can complain if you don't vote. The Constitutional right of free speech is not based on voting.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
OK, I'll state it a different way:
If you don't vote, you shouldn't complain about the government you get. Carrie |
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