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Double O Magic
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SO I bought flash paper. Now how do I use it properly? I can not seem to make it work the way I want it. For example I would like to do the Hermes Rose Production but I cannot seem to do it to make it seem magical. Same with coin productions and such. Any ideas?
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You use the flash burst to hide movement of revealing.

Without seeing what you are doing, its hard to guide you.

What I would suggest is watching a number of videos of magicians using flash effects.

Check out Jim Pace and a few others that are known for the flash use.
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Double,

Try using it in an unusual way, as in Paul Curry's Circle of Fire from his book
Worlds beyond.

It is not used to hide secret moves but is used for creating the effect of something magical happening. A truly great routine.

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Hi Jim,

I respectfully disagree. I think it can be used for either reason -- sometimes both (hiding a move and/or making it seem magical), depending on the trick.

What do others think?

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I think that is one of those things that can be used for a huge variety of reasons. A lot of cool stuff to do with it.
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Flash the dang paper, then reach into the dang flames and produce the dang rose. It's not rocket science, dang it!
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I only use it for one thing. I use a striker and then flash it when producing a silk at my fingertips.
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Jim Munsey,

I did not say he had to do it that way. Just try to do something different.

Just have fun when you do it.

Jim
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HI Jim O.,

Upon re-reading your original post, I see that I misinterpreted it.

Apologies,

Jim
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Use the flash paper for a for a marked coin vanish where you wrap the coin in the paper and light it and the coin is gone, only to be found in a box or somewhere. I like the idea of using one of those aligator clips on a base meant to hold a snapshot to hold the folded paper in plain sight.

Use the flash paper for a center tear effect.

Make small origami bird with flash paper, produce larger bird during the flash.

Those come to mind first, hope they are not too silly.
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On 2010-08-23 14:11, Double O Magic wrote:
SO I bought flash paper. Now how do I use it properly? I can not seem to make it work the way I want it. For example I would like to do the Hermes Rose Production but I cannot seem to do it to make it seem magical. Same with coin productions and such. Any ideas?


I am going to put a plug in for Jay Sankey, here,. if you can afford a CD Jay has tons of good effects with flash paper. In fact, he has one dedicated to the subject called "Spontaneous Combustion" Check it out!
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For me (and my brazilian and paraguaian audience), flash paper itself is magical! I do an effect with flash paper, but first, I burn a real paper, just to get people to see what it looks like. I know they already know that, I'm just reinforcing it.

My dad writes "the magic words" on flash paper and puts it on the floating table. Then he says that there are no magic words, that everything is an illusion and he burns the FP... truly magical.

And even better! now we are getting some FP that has blue fire! Even more magical!

p.s.: I love saying: "where there was fire, ashes remain, but in my magical world, not even ashes remains!" before burning FP. It makes me feel very powerful!
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I'm not familiar with Paraguay. Do people there tend toward superstition?
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I've seen flash paper used to heighten various finger-tip type appearances. if they still smoke in paraguay then using it to produce a lit cigarette at the fingertips used to be a very popular thing in the US til we went mostly non-smoking.

I saw a lovely routine recently where he magician made a rose from the flash paper, floated it with th----- and then lit it, where upon it changed with a flash into a real rose (that I assume he loaded inside but I didn't catch the load Smile )

I have a hand flash cannon. Mostly I use it for chuckles when I use it at all. Last time was in my "visiting Hogwarts professor" act where I started off by warding of an "invisible demon" and followed with "Cool huh? that's defense against the black arts. We won't be studying that today, instead we will be talking about magic and the mind..." It got a gasp and a chuckle and generally "set the mood" well for what followed.

Flash paper is often used in a dove pan, though I prefer flash cotton. Flash paper burns long enough to watch it burn, flash cotton sort of 'bangs' in a flash of very intense light. For my dove pan routine, where the flash is supposed to be the magic going a bit out of control, it works better.

Another use I've seen for flash paper is for a torn-corner card trick where the corner appears somewhere else. The magician wraps the corner in flash paper or look-alike tissue paper and switches it for an empty pre-folded piece of flash paper which he (or she) then makes vanish in a puff of flame.
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I'm not familiar with Paraguay. Do people there tend toward superstition?


People that don't live in major cities tend to superstition, if you get bizarre.

Sometimes, some people won't see a magic trick because of their religion. (That doesn't permit to do A LOT of things)

But laymen here know nothing about magic. Close-up and mentalism won't sell here. You gotta have a show, big show...

On the good side, you won't hear: "Oh that trick again" when performing linking rings or cups and balls.

Same thing in Brazil. Although in Brazil close-up magic is developing in São Paulo and other cities...

But, just because they don't know much about magic, you have it all easier. People don't trust magicians! They think is war! I always talk a little bit about it on my show, so people can relax.
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Your problem may be the size. For most stage effects and flash paper gismos a quarter of a sheet is used (about a 4x4 inch square). I'm pretty sure that the floating rose effect uses a larger piece though I don't own it so I can't help out there. Also make sure that the effects don't rely on any other flash products, like cotton or string. Some ignitors even require combinations. All the coin magic I've seen used just a quarter squae though.
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On 2010-09-02 20:12, Cyberqat wrote:

I saw a lovely routine recently where he magician made a rose from the flash paper, floated it with th----- and then lit it, where upon it changed with a flash into a real rose (that I assume he loaded inside but I didn't catch the load Smile )



Were you watching me? ;-)


or Kevin James .... or Copperfield


The Floating Rose is the second effect in my show as part of the first routine

Always gets a nice pop


It is a considerable amount work to learn to float a paper rose but that's the whole I.T. thing
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Flash the dang paper, then reach into the dang flames and produce the dang rose. It's not rocket science, dang it!


LMAO!! Funny, Spellbinder! You crack me up!

I understand the dilemma. Sometimes you expect one thing and get another. I had to buy several types, until I got some flash cotton. Then I realized there was a device that fits on your finger that ignites it. It took quite a bit of experimentation to find the right size piece of cotton, to do what I wanted.

I wish I'd saved myself all the hassle by just reading a few posts here. Oh, by the way the Floating Rose, one version, used an approx. 9" x 9" piece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7FxcrDtUHY

That is the version created by Kevin James.

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On 2010-09-02 20:12, Cyberqat wrote:

I saw a lovely routine recently where he magician made a rose from the flash paper, floated it with th----- and then lit it, where upon it changed with a flash into a real rose (that I assume he loaded inside but I didn't catch the load Smile )


Were you watching me? ;-)

or Kevin James .... or Copperfield

The Floating Rose is the second effect in my show as part of the first routine

Always gets a nice pop

It is a considerable amount work to learn to float a paper rose but that's the whole I.T. thing

It was on TV. It might have been Kevin James? he was a larger gentleman who has a nice sense of "childish wonder" in his act.

Anyway it was a lovely illusion... one of the things that's put IT on my list of skills to learn Smile

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On 2010-09-02 12:13, daffydoug wrote:
I'm not familiar with Paraguay. Do people there tend toward superstition?

People that don't live in major cities tend to superstition, if you get bizarre.

We have the same thing in the US... we call them "rednecks." Smile

But to be serious, there is a LOT of superstition in the US, too. Its just wrapped in socially accepted structures such as religions.
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Cyberqat,

here there are both, the religion-structured kind and the "I-just-don't-think-that-is-something-I-wanna-play-with" (like knocking wood and stuff, just plain superstition)

I love bizarre magic, I just do it for myself, sometimes for friends... I think there are no bizarrists in latin america... I want to be first one!
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