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On 2010-08-26 01:03, acesover wrote:
Running is definitely military training but it is also military training.

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I remember we had a PE teacher who just returned from Vietnam, he was a Marine.

For a while we attended a church in Santa Ana and helped out with the nursary and toddlers. There were lots of Marines there who worked with the toddlers. They taught them to crawl on their bellies with their elbows, and when they got good the guys would bring them gunnery sergeant insignia and what-have-you. The kids loved it!
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I've known guys who do that with their kids and mean it....this PE teacher was insane, I mean he finally refused to let us go to other classes and that was his final downfall.
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Does anyone know what this ROTC class entails"

Here. Knock yourself out. Smile

https://www.usarmyjrotc.com/



Haviing taken your advice I knocked myself out and went to that site.

Wow! What an eye opener. I had no idea that this was a whole systemm of teaching and not just a class replacing PE. I cannot belieive that the individual that declined to go to these classes was the only one. From what I saw on the site you seem to be removed from regular classes. I assumed (and we all know what that does) that this was a class that replace PE not a whole program. It may be beneficial to some but it should be in no way mandatory. This was my second mistake my first being that I thought I know evereything. My bad. Very bad.
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On 2010-08-26 11:15, acesover wrote:
...my first being that I thought I know everything....


You mean we hadn't long ago dispossessed you of that particular thought? We're not doing our jobs very well.

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On 2010-08-26 01:03, acesover wrote:

Does anyone know what this ROTC class entails"

Here. Knock yourself out. Smile

https://www.usarmyjrotc.com/



Haviing taken your advice I knocked myself out and went to that site.

Wow! What an eye opener. I had no idea that this was a whole systemm of teaching and not just a class replacing PE. I cannot belieive that the individual that declined to go to these classes was the only one. From what I saw on the site you seem to be removed from regular classes. I assumed (and we all know what that does) that this was a class that replace PE not a whole program. It may be beneficial to some but it should be in no way mandatory. This was my second mistake my first being that I thought I know evereything. My bad. Very bad.

I don't know how much of that they implemented at the school in question but, yeah, it generally entails much more than just PE.

My youngest niece did the regular Air Force ROTC ... it was a big commitment and took up a lot of her time.
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Did she do it in college?
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I read the articles and I am still leaning toward this being much ado about nothing and the situation is being exagerated. I believe the truth is they have a physical education class which is based upon the JROTC program. The implication is the entire ciriculum was changed and that the 9th graders will be running around in uniforms etc.. You know what? I do not see what a leadership and responsibility class an do to harm them and it likely will increase graduation numbers. Do some of you believe the children will enter the 10th grade with bandana's on their heads wrapped in 60 cal rounds, their muscles bulging, as they wait to go shoot up a small Oregon town? Ever thought that maybe that one kid is the only one with a parent who didn't quite get it and complained? No, we are suppose to believe he is enlightened and all other parents are idiots.
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On 2010-08-26 15:57, MagicSanta wrote:
Did she do it in college?

Yeah. She went to Georgetown in DC. Which does not have an Air Force ROTC program. So she elected to do her ROTC at nearby Howard University. She graduated from both programs a couple / few months ago. Her brother and sister both went to U.S. military academies, but this niece did not want the 24/7 military experience while she was in school.
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Great school. ROTC can help pay for college is why I asked. Being a genius I turned down a full scholarship to Northwestern under the NROTC, which is big there. I should have done it. They must have loved her at Howard! The military academies are also excellent, very tough to even get accepted so that alone is impressive.

There was a really fun super lib from San Francisco, can't recall his name, who was into gambling routines that went to Georgetown law, his inlaws were nice enough to send him, and he seems to have vanished. He likely is a well paid super conservative lawyer by now....might be Lobowolf, who knows?
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I read the articles and I am still leaning toward this being much ado about nothing and the situation is being exagerated. I believe the truth is they have a physical education class which is based upon the JROTC program.

Well, I don't know. The principal of the school is a Navy Veteran, and the school's program is a military sponsored Marine Corps JROTC class run by a Master Sergeant. Being military sponsored, I don't think it is likely just to be "based" on JROTC.

More info here and here.

"The rationale for promoting JROTC, according to state education officials, is that it fulfills South Carolina's requirement that all students complete one credit of physical education. The JROTC program meets the standard for the physical education requirement."

"However, school principle Richard Neal admitted that all 9th grade students were automatically enrolled in the JROTC program. And Master Sergeant Joe Epps, who runs the program for Carvers Bay High School, stated that 'what used to be the physical education element, we have taken that over.'"

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By the way, here is the school page of Master Sergeant Joe D. Epps, Jr., Senior Marine Instructor - LE-II, LE-III & LE-IV:

http://www4.gcsd.k12.sc.us/education/sta......id=4196&
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Great school. ROTC can help pay for college is why I asked. Being a genius I turned down a full scholarship to Northwestern under the NROTC, which is big there. I should have done it. They must have loved her at Howard!

Yeah, I think she had a great time at both places. She stood out a little at Howard, but she made some good friends there. Her husband (they were recently married) is finishing at Purdue this fall, and is in ROTC there. So they'll be a military couple for at least the next 4, 5, 6 years (I forget for exactly how long they are now indebted to the military).
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Not indebted, no one held a gun to their head, how long they have the priviledge of serving.
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Not indebted, no one held a gun to their head, how long they have the priviledge of serving.

Yeah, I wasn't sure what the proper word is, but you know what I mean. Indebted may not be correct, but really neither is privilege. There is a contractual obligation involved.
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"Obligated" is the word I've usually heard used in this circumstance.



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Thar ya go. The military will do them good. They will come out proven leaders that have gotten that intro stage removed and will make more money because of it. Good times.
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On 2010-08-26 01:06, balducci wrote:
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On 2010-08-26 01:03, acesover wrote:

Does anyone know what this ROTC class entails"

Here. Knock yourself out. Smile

https://www.usarmyjrotc.com/



Haviing taken your advice I knocked myself out and went to that site.

Wow! What an eye opener. I had no idea that this was a whole systemm of teaching and not just a class replacing PE. I cannot belieive that the individual that declined to go to these classes was the only one. From what I saw on the site you seem to be removed from regular classes. I assumed (and we all know what that does) that this was a class that replace PE not a whole program. It may be beneficial to some but it should be in no way mandatory. This was my second mistake my first being that I thought I know evereything. My bad. Very bad.


I must applaud this. I have said before that changing your mind, admiting when you were mistaken is a VERY respectable thing.

I would also be concerned with the fact that (according to the parents at least) it was NOT offered as a choice, he was just put in it with everyone, and they had to ASK to have the choice.
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From the article:

"One freshman's parent, Charles Holloway, says ROTC just showed up on his son's schedule. Holloway says when his son asked to be excused, he was placed in a class by himself."


He obviously had the choice of taking the ROTC course which fulfilled the PE course but chose not to take so they put him in a PE class by himself. What is the problem here? And to be honest it was probably his parents that do not want him in the ROTC class, not himself as everyone else is fine with it. Seems like the school is going out of their way to appease him and his parents.

Bring back the draft.


That's not to say he did not have the choice, as they certainly appeased them after the fact, but they did not offer them the choice and made the initial decision for them. Think about all the parents who don't ask. And the children who probably don't even know they CAN ask.
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I read the articles and I am still leaning toward this being much ado about nothing and the situation is being exagerated. I believe the truth is they have a physical education class which is based upon the JROTC program. The implication is the entire ciriculum was changed and that the 9th graders will be running around in uniforms etc.. You know what? I do not see what a leadership and responsibility class an do to harm them and it likely will increase graduation numbers. Do some of you believe the children will enter the 10th grade with bandana's on their heads wrapped in 60 cal rounds, their muscles bulging, as they wait to go shoot up a small Oregon town? Ever thought that maybe that one kid is the only one with a parent who didn't quite get it and complained? No, we are suppose to believe he is enlightened and all other parents are idiots.


It's all about choice.
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Just as aside, when my Stepdad, the founder of the University of Wisconsin Socialist Club and a major organizer of civil rights protests, was at the University of Wisconsin he had two choices: ROTC or Band.

He says he chose ROTC because the officer teaching it was less of a fascist then the band director. Given the band directors I've known... I believe that...
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