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Andrew Zuber
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I'm confused...because I'm EASILY fooled by these kinds of things. It doesn't take much to get me scratching my head, but I just watched the demo, and the method was so completely obvious that I felt like I was missing something. Is there more to this than what the demo shows, or is it just the handling?

I've seen a lot of Bob's items and I think he's an artist - they're truly fantastic, so this one surprises me.
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Not speaking to its value but something that may not be fully appreciated in the demo. The box is the appropriate "depth" at all phases of the routine. I may be an idiot, even with "the move" I did not quite know how a truly empty box was seen at the end.
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Yes
that's the really clever bit!
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The Lightning Box is now all over the world. I've received countless emails from new users and the reaction to the Lightning Box has been incredible.

I think the crux is the reaction magicians are getting. The Lightning Box gives you the power a truly test conditions piece of magic provides real workers.
Watching magic on video is simply not the real world.

I just made a positive post for Akira Fuji's Cigarette Penetration. It's difficult to make a video that gives the audience the live experience. Same issue here. If you ever see him do this in person you'd rip your pocket trying to get the money out of your pocket.
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Going by the video, it uses the same move I use with my Viking Brass Box. If it's the same principle, I've never had anyone want to look at the box.
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I received mine today and all I can say is Beautiful Work Bob! Can't wait to start using it.
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Thanks Pepka!
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How do you guys like the trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx2DxngXjWA
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On 2010-12-12 02:31, saysold1 wrote:
How do you guys like the trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx2DxngXjWA


That's the same trailer that has been up since early September! I thought perhaps you had found a different one.
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Finally gave in and just ordered it. I like the idea that it can be shown empty from the start if one wishes to do so and its flexibility as for the use of coins, bills, billets, etc. Time to start making use of my Extractor again as it will go hand in hand greatly with this! I wish it could have been a tad smaller, but I imagine there were some size restrictions due to its mechanism and versatility. When I get it I'll try to post here and give my impressions on it after giving it a few tests on some people. I'm counting this as my Christmas present to myself! Smile Hopefully on Christmas day I'll be using it on some family members for the first time before I go out and perform it for strangers.
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You'll love it ...and the "size won't matter" or bother you when you get to the moment when you let the spec lift the lid off...it makes it all the better.

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Lightning box + Extractor! ( Slaps forehead) Why didn't I think of that already? Thanks Gaffed!
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IMHO this price is outrageous, way overpriced for any magician. You can think that "it'll keep this for only the serious performers" but I beg those of you on the fence to realize that as well made as this is, you can achieve the same effect essentially with Mystery Box or Tin Opener for $100+ less.
I'm now preparing to get bombarded with hate; putting my flame suit on.
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On 2010-12-16 04:55, rockthemike wrote:
IMHO this price is outrageous, way overpriced for any magician. You can think that "it'll keep this for only the serious performers" but I beg those of you on the fence to realize that as well made as this is, you can achieve the same effect essentially with Mystery Box or Tin Opener for $100+ less.
I'm now preparing to get bombarded with hate; putting my flame suit on.


No flame here Mike, but have you actually seen this prop in person? Or calculated the cost to produce this prop? Outrageous is a pretty strong word, so I'm asking for your reference point...

Ken
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Cost is something that makes me laugh, In most cases people whom complain about cost are those who cannot afford.
I don't own this prop but I do know that Bob kohler does not put his name on anything less then quality.
I am a big fan of Bob Kohler magic read the forms you see I like the products,however I would suggest that since you do not own the prop mike it would make it difficult for you to make a fair judgement if the product is over priced or not?
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On 2010-12-16 04:55, rockthemike wrote:
IMHO this price is outrageous, way overpriced for any magician. You can think that "it'll keep this for only the serious performers" but I beg those of you on the fence to realize that as well made as this is, you can achieve the same effect essentially with Mystery Box or Tin Opener for $100+ less.
I'm now preparing to get bombarded with hate; putting my flame suit on.

Mike, your opinion is fair as it applies to you.
Value is a relative concept. Let's translate this to automobiles:
A fully loaded Ford Focus will run you just under $20,000
A BMW 335i starts at $41,000
Both serve the exact same purpose, transportation. Yet would you attempt to talk someone who could afford and wants a BMW 335i out of it because they could accomplish the same goal of transportation with the Ford Focus?
Not that you'd be wrong, but just because YOU don't get the value it doesn't mean that it isn't of value to others. Right?
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I can see why you would say that but in all walks of life ther are things that seem over priced, dvd's how much do they cost to produce, I am guessing a fraction of their selling price and not just macic dvd's. Packs of cards, sponge balls etc the list goes on just look around your home there will be many things that when you look at them seem over priced, but we are not the one's that have to come up with the idea, field test the prototypes, do the research for the manufacturing and bear the set up costs and run the risk of the product not selling. But we are the ones that reap the rewards of a top notch product that does exactly what it is claimed to do and does it extremely well.
It fools laymen and draws gasps of amazment which is what we are all after.
I have no connection with Bob Kohler but the products I have which are U3Fly, mind reading goose and the lightening box are all workers, first class workmanship,and first class instruction I couldn't ask for more.
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On 2010-12-16 04:55, rockthemike wrote:
IMHO this price is outrageous, way overpriced for any magician. You can think that "it'll keep this for only the serious performers" but I beg those of you on the fence to realize that as well made as this is, you can achieve the same effect essentially with Mystery Box or Tin Opener for $100+ less.
I'm now preparing to get bombarded with hate; putting my flame suit on.

I can see why you would say that but in all walks of life ther are things that seem over priced, dvd's how much do they cost to produce, I am guessing a fraction of their selling price and not just macic dvd's. Packs of cards, sponge balls etc the list goes on just look around your home there will be many things that when you look at them seem over priced, but we are not the one's that have to come up with the idea, field test the prototypes, do the research for the manufacturing and bear the set up costs and run the risk of the product not selling. But we are the ones that reap the rewards of a top notch product that does exactly what it is claimed to do and does it extremely well.
It fools laymen and draws gasps of amazment which is what we are all after.
I have no connection with Bob Kohler but the products I have which are U3Fly, mind reading goose and the lightening box are all workers, first class workmanship,and first class instruction I couldn't ask for more.
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Good points everyone. It makes me rethink what I said. I understand the pricing for a lot of Kohler's products but this one I was a little unsure of. I actually posted this after seeing it demo'd at a shop so I have seen it in person. It was really late when I posted that and I kind of regret the way I said it because I should've known it'd start a commotion. If I could edit it I'd take out outrageously.
To each his own and whether I'm in the wrong or right here, I still respect everyone's choices to buy or not buy this.
And @Mike McEathron, don't make assumptions about others not being able to afford things. That's not classy.

That's all I'll say since I don't own this prop and may be speaking with my foot in my mouth.


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I own the Mystery Box and think it fantastic. However, the Mystery Box cannot do the same things as the Lightning Box. You need a separate box for a billet, and another for the use of a dollar bill. If you would like to have the option of performing all three options we are talking about an investment of $255.00. Also, you cannot use a coin with the Mystery Box nor are any of these options REAL cards, billets or bills. Second point, you cannot show the Mystery Box to be empty BEFORE you place it in use if you wish to do so. From what I can see is that the Lightning Box is turned ABS plastic, and for all practical purposes, indestructible. Another point, albeit a small one, is that the top of the Lightning Box stays on whereas the Mystery Box lid does not. Don’t get me wrong as I think the Mystery Box is/was the most revolutionary devices for a card to box and will live on for a long time, but the Lightning Box is a onetime buy for its versatility, durability, reset, etc. To say that the price is outrageous, in my opinion, is a tad harsh to say the least. But, you’re certainly welcome to your opinion. As for making assumptions that your criticism, for lack of a better term, are based on your not being able to afford it is something I feel is totally unfounded and uncalled for. As I mentioned previously, you’re simply giving your opinion on what you feel that the Lightning Box is as compared to other effects which can accomplish the same end.......to a certain degree. Smile
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