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I would imagine someone felt it gave too much away.

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On 2010-09-03 12:39, Ustaad wrote:
Youtube: The teaser/ demo video has been removed by the user.

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Makes one wonder why? Just because you could see the "dirty move"?!!? Laymen woudnt never see it and most magicians seem to have missed it as well.

However even after seeing it and realising what it is, at least in this case, it made me appreaciate the thing even more and for once understand why the price is as high as it is. This is not same method as in John Kennedy box or minor variation of Jon Allen or Henning routines. This has some work that at least I havent seen ever before connected to plot like this.

Maybe they were just too scared that Magic Makers will dublicate it anyway and start selling rip offs in month or two Smile

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On 2010-09-03 14:53, korttihai_82 wrote:
Maybe they were just too scared that Magic Fakers will duplicate it anyway and start selling rip offs in a month or two.


This. Smile
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Where can I watch the demo?
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The demo gave too much away? Looking at the pictures, you can see very close detail like some big rip in the plastic on the rim of the box. I'm guessing that's not part of the mechanism. And those dice look like one-dimensional. Nonetheless, I'd like to have a look at this. Will wait for the reports to come in.
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Actually the YouTube video crashed, the audio wouldn't match up with the video.
I guess the YouTube police figured out that I loaded a file that exceeded their maximum limit.

I've just loaded a new lower resolution movie up. I will attempt to put up an new HD version but the file size I'm working with is massive at over 5 Gigs. Getting the compression perfect is tricky as YouTube will only accept files up to 2 Gigs.

I have to say I love the concept of one dimensional dice...
I've got a show coming up in a flat universe...hmmm.
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I finally watched the demo video on a computer as I've only had my cell phone the last couple of days and I didn't get 3G speeds for video.


This makes me want to dig out my old Boston Coin Box. May I kindly suggest editing out the bit with the four coins being put back into the box.

Looks like the box can't be examined by spectators. This isn't that big of a deal. Fred Kaps and Tommy Wonder just put the box away. Though, I like the Mystery Box's ability to be left on the table and if someone where to look inside (1/1000 times) it would be alright.

Like I said before, if there were a wooden version I would buy it at the current price point. (Might be cheaper to manufacture as well)
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Spectators doesn't want to see the box... I have used both Kennedy box and Jon Allen box on and off for over 5 years and seriously never has anyone wanted to see the box... (although in Allen version the box can be looked at but I mainly use Kennedy one anyway.) I can honestly say that never ever has one asked or reached for the box even though I left em in full view.

About the wooden box however... Where in the world they sell jewelry in wooden box?!?!? Not even in Lapland where they try to add anything to our products... However plastic jewelry boxes are 100% everyday items everywhere I have been to. This is pure magicians thinking and thinking it way too much in my mind.

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Spectators doesn't want to see the box... I have used both Kennedy box and Jon Allen box on and off for over 5 years and seriously never has anyone wanted to see the box... (although in Allen version the box can be looked at but I mainly use Kennedy one anyway.) I can honestly say that never ever has one asked or reached for the box even though I left em in full view.

About the wooden box however... Where in the world they sell jewelry in wooden box?!?!? Not even in Lapland where they try to add anything to our products... However plastic jewelry boxes are 100% everyday items everywhere I have been to. This is pure magicians thinking and thinking it way too much in my mind.

J-M


I clearly stated that only about 1 out of 1000 times has someone asked to see the box. But for that 1 time I don't have to fumble in my pocket to ditch a card or anything. They can look inside all they want as there is nothing to see w/ the Kennedy box.

Obviously you can call the Kohler box whatever you want. It does not have to be a "wooden jewelry" box as you put it. You present the box any way you want to present it. For example, I would present it as the container where I store my expensive silver coins. Which would be the truth. I don't like lying to spectators more than I have to.

I'm NOT doing magicians thinking but thanks for your comments.
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No offense but that video was kinda dull to watch. Way too long.

I have some thoughts about this, both good and bad. Instead of striking up some war I will instead say that there are many options for this idea, and if this one suits you best, get it.

Just something to chew on.
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Hi Stucky. I get your point but I think the intention of this clip is to give some real insight into this item - it's not the quick visual clip we so frequently see currently but instead a more detailed look at the possibilities, why this box stands out from others, etc. Basically most of us already know what the plot/effect is... so what most of us want to know is why pick this one over others out there and I think that is what Bob is trying to give insight to. So you are correct in that it is long and not as visually exciting as some clips but this IS am investment for the serious worker and thus I believe Bob wants those considering it to have some detailed insight before they invest.

Douglas while I also understand your concern let me assure you this looks FAR FAR from cheap plastic. It's heavy duty, classy, and looks great... it is NOT cheap plastic and does not look that way at all. It's hard to explain why but it reminds me of a magic "Apple" product. Without giving any details away it also makes the workings far better.

I prefer NOT to show the box empty initially though one can do that. I feel it is far stronger to have it be a mystery. You can then show the folded card inside (3D) with other item(s), dump them out, and open up the card to show it is the signed selected card. They now get to thoroughly see the box is empty and you can put the other objects (ex. real dice, coins, casino chips, etc.) back into the now empty box. You can instantly repeat things, etc. It is super fair, super good looking, super practical, etc.

Bob explores a lot of ideas, uses, etc. but it's certainly hard to beat the standard signed card to box. The Lighting Box allows for it to look fantastic.

I know this has been a real manufacturing feat. When Bob initially told me about the idea quite some time ago I instantly realized how great this was. But as it developed, small issues you would not even consider crept up and Bob has overcome those which has allowed for a much better item than I heard about some time ago. Bob worked all of the issues out. I can't imagine this any better than it is. This is one of those rare items that once word gets around of exactly how it is done it will actually inspire people to get it as it is so good. In other words, the method is a positive instead of a negative or a challenge. Also, once it is out most of the concerns (ex. the material it is made from, etc.) will quickly disappear.

This is an item I will USE.

Tim
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Looks like another fine release from Bob Kohler Magic.....
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What a lovely piece of engineering. Machined ABS is rock solid and will both look and feel classy. Knowing the workings, I'd imagine that there is no better material to machine this from. Wonderful.

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The Lightning Box looks nice to me. As mentioned by another member here on the thread, it also really reminds me of the Viking brass billet box.
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I think it looks great, I use a destination box all the time, but this looks really cool. I think I have to start sweet talking the wife!!
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Love the glasses Ben...
You're correct. ABS is the best material choice by far. I made prototypes from wood, metal and many other plastics. ABS won by a mile. It's really tough, machines very well and the finish is cool. It's also impervious to moisture and humidity.
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1) Regarding the design materials, I believe ABS is the perfect choice, as, over time, a wood version might possibly stop working properly.

2) Having given this a lot of thought, the value of showing the inside BEFORE might best be exploited in the prediction-type effect, as in using "Q".

While not absolutely necessary to fool the specs, if you show a card inside as a prediction you made before the show, then they name a completely random card, then you dump and show the matching prediction, and if the box is then empty, well, there's just nowhere to go with that (no way to backtrack). BAM!

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This looks great well done Bob! this is a fantastic version of card etc. to box & this really is the finest version, "so simple so powerful "!

Best Wishes

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My orders in!
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The Trailer is now available in HD. First, go to the Lightning Box product page and expand the video size.
The next step is to choose either 720P or 1080P. The Lightning Box will fill up your screen.
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