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On 2010-09-11 19:04, ku7uk3 wrote:
I know Scout groups have no money.

Hopefully it is different for you in the USA.


You know what? The groups may not have a lot of money but the parents all have a little. If a scout group wants to have entertainment, all the parents can pitch in and pay for the entertainment. Parents have enough money to "pitch in" a little. Period.

Don't ever do a free cub scout show, Steve. Stick to your guns.
Ask them, "how many kids will be there?"
When they say "35", well that's 35 families that can pitch in for a @#$%@#$%^@# magic show.

If they don't like it, politely tell them to get one of the cub scouts that likes magic to do the show for free.

I hate doing school shows. I love doing cub scout shows. But they have to pay, just like everyone else.
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Star: Awesome. it goes to prove that scout shows happen all year round and can be marketed to not just for the months of february and March. Hope you have a great show and a lot of fun.

Frank: Good stuff my friend. Some may say they do not, however, the banquet is the biggest event they hold each year and there is always a budget set aside for it. They can also team together with other packs to form a larger banquet and pull resources. I have offered this idea to a few and they loved it and it worked well for them. However, in most packs, if you offer them a solution that meets their needs, they will want you.

I agree. No need to ever do a free scout show. They have funds and you can and should get paid for what you are providing to them.

If anyone needs any advice or help on their cub scout show or marketing, PLEASE let me know. I am here to help. Now is the time to get your materials together and create your scout leads list.

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Kyle:
Thanks for starting this thread. A lot of very useful information has been posted.

Bob:
Do you sell the four-way color changing silks in Blue&Gold/Red&White? I haven't been able to find them. Are red and white the correct colors for the Boy Scouts?
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Larry: You are most welcome my friend. As far as colors of cub scouting, that would be the classic blue and gold. It signifies the colors of scouting and also matches up with their banquet also referred to as the Blue and Gold dinner. I talk about this a lot as well as effects that you can do, in the book as well.

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On 2010-09-23 12:08, LMLipman wrote:
Kyle:
Thanks for starting this thread. A lot of very useful information has been posted.

Bob:
Do you sell the four-way color changing silks in Blue&Gold/Red&White? I haven't been able to find them. Are red and white the correct colors for the Boy Scouts?


We do have the Blue&Gold/Red&White in 18" real 100% silk. There are two sets left at $24/each.


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Bob's set is perfect for your scout shows. A great and easy way to theme he show for the cub pack.

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Hahaha! They were chanting my name. I am not kidding ... they started with "More - more - more -" which led to chanting my name (and unlike Bill Malone I did NOT instigate it.) The Scoutmaster said he sets up the roundtables and said I could come to one any time I'd like. Maybe I'll take him up on it.
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Star: You absolutely should Round tables are a great way in which to get your information directly in the hands of a lot of pack and scout masters. Because he will be there, he can also put in a good word for you. Just come prepared with materials you can habd out for each pack master. Also work with them on ideas they can do for a magic themed meeting night.

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Just a thought here:

While B&G banquets are the obvious scout activity to market for, the show I did last week was for the season "kick off" pack meeting. New families were there. What a nice way to promote an interest in scouting and get kids to come than to have a show! I have never specifically marketed for that, but why not? Seems like a good market to focus on for autumn shows.

Now, onto a question for you guys. I am going to a roundtable in Wednesday. While I have a pretty good idea of what I am gonna do, I am not too arrogant to think that I cannot benefit from the ideas of others. So -- how would YOU choose to make a presentation at a scout roundtable?
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Absolutely correct and great stuff. I market to scouts and packs year round and also offer them different packages and options. One great idea is to offer a magic themed night. They always are looking for ideas. if you can provide a fun night that is basically planned for them, it is an easy way for them to say yes. This can also be offered year round.

At the round tables, I spend less time on presenting magic and way more time talking to them about how I can directly benefit them, their pack and their scouts. They really want to hear about how you can offer them something that solves and meets a need for them.

I do my homework and find out what might be a need that they have. I then directly talk about meeting those needs with solutions I can offer to them. It has more impact this way. I then make sure I have a promotional packet I give to each one of them.

Now some of these needs could be:

- banquet entertainment directly themed towards scouting
- strolling magic at the banquet that meets the needs of the tables waiting to come up and be called
- magic themed meeting nights that can be done for their pack where by you offer a show, hands on workshop and a q and a session
- magic for the kick off meeting for the new year to get new scouts excited about scouting
- offering to do workshops for the dens and at den meetings

All of these (and more) can be valuable offerings that packs are interested in hearing about.

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Update: Booked five the night of the roundtable, and 7 more after followup.

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Are red and white the correct colors for the Boy Scouts?


Red and White are the primary colors of the Boy Scout flag. The uniform primary colors have changed (and I suspect that the flags will begin changing slowly) to Tan and Olive green. There are a few small dashes of crimson red used as well.
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Star: Now THAT is the way to work it. Congrats my friend. See folks, You can indeed land a LOT of scout based shows with just taking direct action and knowing a few tips and techniques to get your foot in the door.

Visiting the round table at each scout council is a wonderful way to get your information right to the decision makers. Each pack master (cub master) must belong and attend the round tables once a month at the scout council their pack belongs to. This is a time for them to learn, share ideas and pick up their mail in their mail boxes. Many times the scout council has no problem at all for you to be a part of that meeting. You simply have to ask.

Scout packs are always looking for entertainment for the banquet and not only the banquet but also opportunities to offer a magic themed night for one of their meetings. I explain this concept a lot more in my book. But you can work scout shows year round if you really wanted to. It is great extra money and the banquets are also a wonderful way to get your name out there to families with young children.

Now is the time to start doing your cub scout follow ups. The week after new years is a great time to send a follow up marketing to scout packs in your area for interest in your banquet show. Banquets used to be mainly in February but the past few years the banquets have spread out into the month of March and even April.

Keep in mind there is a difference between cub scouts and by scouts. Make sure you know the difference. Boy scouts tend to be an older group of kids. Now you can do shows for them as well, but it is a different approach. I mainly market to the cub scout groups in my area. Their colors are Blue and Gold to correspond with the banquet of the same name. The banquet honors the birthdate of scouting.

There are some silk effects out on the market that work with the colors and also some that are scout themed already.

Let me know how you guys are doing and if there are any questions at all about working scout based shows. I would be happy to help you out.

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I have never done a Cub Scout Banquet where I have made less than $200 selling products afterwards. That is a big thing to consider when taking one of these. The kids are RAVENOUS about learning magic and if you have something to offer them afterwards they will EAT IT UP!
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BOR is something I also talk about and go over in my book. You can do it, but just need to go about it the right way. Make sure they know ahead of time and make sure where you set up does not interfere with the awards ceremonies or disrupt the flow of the schedule.

You can usually set up in the back and work with them on having your booth open before things start, during dinner and after the event is over.

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I hope it is okay to post on an old thread...I just picked up a BandG banquet from a parent who has seen my library show. I am amazed at how helpful this thread has been for me. Thanks for being willing to help us all learn from you experience and wisdom. Thanks again for the great advice.
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In my experience Cubs and Scouts pay just the same as schools and other similar organisations. Though I've never approached them, I've booked many shows over the years with these groups. Next year I'll be performing at a big Jamboree covering the whole of the South East. The fees are considerably higher than regular parties, because it's a show for a very large group. I've also offered a disco after my shows, as an optional add-on.
Of course, scouts are working on a budget, but as has been mentioned, that budget includes providing entertainment at these events. It's much like charity organisations, which are in the business of raising money, but are often reluctant to spend. They realise though, that attempting to get entertainment for free isn't always a great idea.
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I found this market (in Manchester, UK) was unapproachable. They wanted free entertainment always. I get the calls and e-mails from them asking me to do a show for 500 scouts at their national group days, but they don't want to pay me. I send out the letters and e-mails and they go unanswered.

Occasionally, I get individual groups willing to pay my standard rate at Christmas for the Christmas party. But even then I have to say no to them several times, let them go off and do a ring around before eventually coming back to me and deciding to book me at my standard rate. Thus proving they have the money, but don't want to spend it.

It seems that there are many organisations and other types of entertainment willing to work for free, and that has put them in the mindset that us entertainers are willing to do the same.
I don't think its a problem isolated to scouts though. Whatever you work in an area with lots of charities and lots of people willing to give for free, it makes it hard for any respectable business to make a living against that kind of competition, no-matter how bad they may be.

Free will always override quality in the mindset of a person who doesn't know the differences between us.

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This is a great thread. Thank you once again, Kyle, for your thorough and well-thought out recommendations.

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